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Something thats been bobbing around in my head for a while, especially after reading the Grey Knights and Chaos Marines books. Ive tried to find any example of one, but no luck.

I kind of have an idea of a pillar of flesh/blood, several dozen eyes scattered across it, with long tendrils of bone and sinew reaching out. Aiming for Reaver height, around 18", and use Gargantuan creature rules from Apocalypse. Tentative rules here:

Gargantuan Creature
WS-10
BS-3
S-10
T-9
W-10
I-3
A-10
LD-10
SV-3++

Soul Devourer
Bone Whip x4 - 18", Str 8, AP 2
Bolt of Chaos - 36", Str D, AP 1, 10" Blast - Can only fire Bolt if no other weapons are fired that turn

Sounds interesting. Thus far I havent Seen any real entries for anything thats Chaosy that really fall into the Titan class other than the Chaos Variants of Imperial Titans

The rules to me seem solid, although it would be really sweet to see an Infested Chaos Titan, wherin the titan itself has been Posessed by a daemon.

It might be a good place to start

Half mechanical, half biotitan? Thought of that too, have the armor plates ruptured outwards and flesh/bone protruding out. Would make it easier to play, as I could just use chaos titan rules.

This thread should be moved to "You Make Da Call".

T9, 10W, 3++ save?!? This thing will be next to impossible to kill. AT 4++, I'd price this thing around 1500. With a 3++, I'd say 2K.

agreed, maybe make a cheaper variant or nerf it and just add the upgrade options? It would be nice to use this idea without wasting my whole apocalypse budget. Make it 2000 and either make a variant or just make it 2000 and same stats after buying all upgrades. Very nice idea though and even though I do not play chaos I am highly interested.

Here's some fun-filled facts:

Put it next to a Chaos Altar and it's got a 2++ save.

Put it next to Fateweaver and it's got a re-rollable 3++ save.

Put it next to Chaos Altar and Fateweaver....I think I'll have my cheese and some whine to go with it.

Ok, heres revised rules:

1500pts
Gargantuan Creature
WS-10
BS-3
S-10
T-8
W-10
I-3
A-10
LD-10
SV-4++

Soul Devourer
Bone Whip x4 - 18", Str 8, AP 2

Can increase save to 3++ for 200pts
Can increase toughness to 9 for 200pts
Can purchase Bolt of Chaos for 100pts - Bolt of Chaos - 36", Str D, AP 1, 10" Blast - Can only fire Bolt if no other weapons are fired that turn

It shouldn't be able to purchase both 3++ and T9. make it one or the other.

Introduce some sort of instability rule.


Unstable: The Deamon has a tenous grip on reality due to the sheer effort to maintain it's form. Damage to it's form reduces it's ability to hold together. every time it takes a wound, roll a D6. if the roll is equal to or above the number of wounds left on it's profile the Deamon immediatly takes D3 additional wounds with no saves allowed.

WS 10 is reserved for avatars of god(s) of war.

You describe it as a mobile tower. Those two things are hardly congruent.

Just trying to translate the description from the book as best I can, the pillar chops a man into cat food in a half second, and almost invades a Grey Knight Strike Cruiser. If you were to fight this thing, you would be attacked on all sides by tendrils of bone and flesh.

I like the unstable rule, but I dont see some marine with a bolter killing this thing, so heres a rewording.

1300pts
Gargantuan Creature
WS-10
BS-3
S-10
T-8
W-10
I-3
A-10
LD-10
SV-4++

Slow and Purposeful

Soul Devourer
Bone Whip x4 - 18", Str 8, AP 2

Can increase save to 3++ for 200pts
Can purchase Bolt of Chaos for 100pts - Bolt of Chaos - 36", Str D, AP 1, 10" Blast - Can only fire Bolt if no other weapons are fired that turn

Unstable: The Daemon has a tenous grip on reality due to the sheer effort to maintain it's form. Damage to it's form reduces it's ability to hold together. Any time the daemon takes a wound from any weapon that would cause instant death, or any weapon with the 'D' type, the player rolls a D6. If the D6 is greater than the remaining wounds the daemon has, the daemon immediately takes D3 additional wounds, no saves allowed.

Better, but Because it's T8 you won't be suffering ID except from a BA librarian's Force weapon(because he can get Str10 and use his FW)

and you don't have to worry about small arms fire killing him either because they can't wound him.


I really don't like the 3++ save. there are very few weapons that will be reliably wounding him to justify him getting a 3++. TH/SS terminators only get a 3++ because they are T4 and have 1 wound. one failed save and they are dead. this guy needs to fail 10 of them. that means 30 wounds for him to die normally. Instability lowers this, but it doesn't do much.

banelord?

it's kind of like a deamon engine/titan hybrid

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1181499_Chaos_Space_Marines_Datasheet_-_Banelord_of_Khorne.pdf

Still think its too strong (or more correctly it is still too tough.)

Technically, a gargantuan creature is immune to Instant Death, so according to your Daemon Instability rule, only Strength D weapons would cause it to check for instability.

Let me make it easier for you:


Unstable: The Daemon has a tenuous grip on reality due to the sheer effort it takes to maintain its form. Damage to its form reduces it's ability to hold together. Any time the daemon takes a wound, it must take a Leadership test. For evey point if fails its LD by, it takes a wound with no saves of any kind (i.e. it takes 1W if it rolls an 11 and 2W if it rolls a 12 for its LD test).

Much much much better

Yes, but then a PBS can knock its leadership down really low, and then target it with some of their Lascannons, I.E. 6. Then proceed to have you fail your leadership test again and again until you die...

Aside from that, do Gargantuans have some sort of psychic defense? If not, then it needs a little...

Footsloggin wrote:Yes, but then a PBS can knock its leadership down really low, and then target it with some of their Lascannons, I.E. 6. Then proceed to have you fail your leadership test again and again until you die...

Aside from that, do Gargantuans have some sort of psychic defense? If not, then it needs a little...

GC's are immune to all psychic powers, so no worries there.

with the exception of Powers that deal damage.

just to point out force weapons that wound a GC instead of inflicting instant death the GC suffers d3 wounds with no saves I believe is the wording from the apoc book. Correct me if I am wrong.

bloodygreentide wrote:just to point out force weapons that wound a GC instead of inflicting instant death the GC suffers d3 wounds with no saves I believe is the wording from the apoc book. Correct me if I am wrong.

Partially true. GC's are immune to Instant Death and so are immune to normal force weapons as they cause ID. However, Deamonhunter and Witch Hunter force weapons don't use the newer, 5th edition force weapon rules. Instead, those force weapons have their own rules and "slay outright" as opposed to causing ID. It is these older force weapons that do D3 wounds to GC's.

I really am not sure but I do believe from the apoc book it does say force weapons instead inflict d3 wounds on gc when the psychic test is passed if they can even wound, but since i do not have an apoc book on me I cannot be sure.