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Hey all,
I've had an idea bumbling around for a while, to chronicle the birth of a new chapter - something rarely mentioned, as most chapters don't mention the founding process much, even though the rites to create a space marine are chronicled in depth. I've already looked over this article several times: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chapter

So, the High Lords of Terra read from the Emperor's Tarot that a new chapter will be required. The individual Geneseed from which the chapter will be created is selected, and the process of using slaves for implantation to make 1000 sets of organs begins. A Chapter Master is chosen - most likely an experienced officer from the founding chapter from which the new chapter will be made. A name is chosen.

What I'm hoping to do is fill in the gaps, tell the story of the fledgling Chapter exploring new territory in order to find a suitable homeworld, the creation of new chapter heraldry, legends, traditions and myths, and a gradual fulfilment of the prophecy that led to their creation in the first place. But I want to try and get as much of the 'reality', the mammoth logistical task needed to create the incredible fighting machine that is a new Chapter of the Astartes, pegged down first so it doesn't end up being inconsistent once I've started things off.

To this end, I want to bounce a few things off your (Dakka's) collective noggins, and see if I can construct something pretty solid.

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First up, Founding Chapter. It's stated in the Ultramarine Fan Club Annual that new chapters are created from Ultramarine genestock, thus making most Chapters view Guilliman as their forefather. What's the general consensus on this? I don't have any particular preference toward any one Primarch or another, apart from a mild interest in Dorn and a disinterest in the more emo chapters, but if it really is the case that no new chapters are founded from any other genestock but Ultramarine, I'll just have to suck it up. Apologies if I just trolled you, I quite like the ultras but Matt Ward over-egged the pudding to a sickening extent.


Second, wargear. While Astartes mk VII plate is relatively easily produced (at least in terms of Astartes gear), I've also heard Terminator suits are horrendously rare, and most Chapters have preserved the same suits for thousands of years. This makes it seem unlikely that my 'young' chapter will ever get its hands on any, unless a few suits are donated by the parent chapter. Would you agree with this assessment, or is it possible that they may be prioritised in Mars' build queue over other chapters in order to help them get it together? The same goes for bolters, ammo, vehicles, ships, all of the necessary trappings of Astartes. How long would all that take, how would it come about, where would it come from etc.


Third, manpower. Would the new chapter draw upon the serfs of it's parent to provide and maintain for them as they grow in number, searching for a place to call home and recruit new serfs and marines from?


Fourth, timescale. While it takes 55 years to create all 1000 sets of organs, I find the idea a little strange that a new chapter is created 'all in one go' with no reference to the traditional progression of an Astartes from novice to veteran. Will the chapter run around with 1000 scouts until the survivors are then allowed to graduate to power armour, constantly recruiting new marines until eventually they have 900 fully fledged warriors and only 100 scouts? It seems to make more sense to have a small batch of veterans from the parent chapter train up an initial 'batch' of scouts, maybe 50 or 100, and once they graduate to Brother Marine status, another batch of scouts is created, and so on until you have a full chapter. That way you have varying degrees of experience spread throughout the chapter. Anyone have an opinion on this?


Fifth, and finally, scale. There are 1000 chapters, and a silly number of Imperial worlds. Reasonably speaking therefore, and dividing up the galaxy equally among chapters, each has about a thousand worlds to watch over. Obviously this isn't really the case - Quite a few chapters watch over very small and specific areas, and some roam the galaxy looking for something to pummel, but this certainly implies it'd be easy for a new chapter to find itself an area of Imperial space that has never seen Astartes - not for thousands of years anyway - and set themselves up as the De Facto guardians thereof. Does that sound reasonable? Or is it more likely they will be assigned a particular strategic region or threat to address? A lot a chapters seem to just keep an eye on a sector or two, and just run around pummelling stuff and responding to distress calls etc. Astartes are so very valuable, it seems unlikely they'd be created 'just in case' or just left to govern a relatively peaceful expanse of space (here's looking at you, Ultramarines).

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Soooooo, for those tl;dr types, I WANNA COME UP WITH A NEW MARINE CHAPTER. HOW MIGHT THEY GO ABOUT SETTING UP?

and thanks in advance to y'all - just respond to one point if you can't be bothered trying to answer the lot.

Big ups,

Cap'n R.

1) I used Guiliman's geneseed for my chapter. It is basically the stock geneseed. It doesn't reflect better or worse on your chapter if it has Ultramarine geneseed. Some of the Ultramarine successors use their geneseed and don't follow the codex at all. Other chapters are created using other genestock but the Ultramarine legion was the biggest at the time of the second founding.
2) The Mechanicus provides the Chapter with its armour and weapons and vehicles. Terminator armour is hard to get so a young chapter may have 10 suits at the most sometimes they may have none at all.
3) I presume the chapter would use servitors at first and then begin to use serfs from the local population (usually failed initiates)
4) My own theory on this is that the new chapters primogenitors train them and lead them (In support roles with the parent chapter) until they have at least 200 or so proper marines at which point the training staff make the decision to either leave and return to the chapter or stay on in the new chapter and lead it. The chapter then carries on recruiting but also send out its companies to fight as well.
5) Chapters are assigned their home world, it is possible they are assigned their home world based on how stable particular regions are or it may be random. However chapters are essentially given the system they reside in and essentially control it.
Also this will help you a great amount
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=132379&st=0&p=1520517&#entry1520517
Hope to see your chapter fluff sometime soon.

Just something to bear in mind but the idea of a cadre of officers being assigned to a new Chapter is a fan theory so far. I don't subscribe to it myself althuogh I do have my own personal theory. This passage from Imperial Armour IX is interesting though:-

"Further details of the Marines Errants' origins can be found in the Mythos Angelica Mortis, the great work concerning the Space Marines of this age, lists five such new-founded Crusade Chapters and their blood-progenitors, with the Marines Errant recorded as having the Eagle Warriors Chapter as their immediate forebears. This places the antecedence of their gene-seed as part of the Ultramarines lineage, a fact which is further born-out by the the Marines Errants' own traditions and heraldry, although why the Eagle Warriors in particular were singled out for the honour of a 'named' founding being drawn from their ranks at this time remains lost to posterity."

As to your other points though I'll just a little information to what you've already got.

Firstly, the Ultramarines gene-seed is used for the majority of new Chapters. When the Second Founding took place the Ultramarines provided the most amount of new Chapters and subsequently the most ammount of gene-seed. It is also a highly stable gene-seed and most Codex adherent Chapters, which is most Chapters, are descended from Ultramarines stock. These factors naturally make Ultramarines gene-seed the favoured choice, owing to its abundance, stability and the general nature of Chapters founded with it being less likely to thumb their nose at the Imperium and its rules - conversely those Chapters who have always been stridently individualistic are not often used.

With regards to wargear a good source for where a new Chapter gets its equipment can be found in the novel Salamander. The Mechanicus forge-ship Archimedes Rex is transporting pristine suits of MKVII Power Armour as well as weapons and materiel unpainted and ready to be assigned to a new Chapter. Strike Cruisers and Terminator Armour for example are also produced new but obviously a new Chapter will have far fewer Terminator suits than older Chapters. Again, Imperial Armour IX is quite useful for some intersting information:-

"Owing to historical losses of certain advanced forms of equipment that have never been fully replaced, the Chapter has learned to carefully shepherd its resources in terms of equipment such as Terminator armour, and its Techmarines have become particularly expert not only in both maintaining and repairing such as they have, but in reclaiming and restoring weapons and gear they might come across in the ling crusades. This has led to some concern in the past over the use of non-Codex Approved arms by the Marines Errant, and even of the incorporation of xenos weaponry into their ranks, although such heretek practices have never been proved."

This equipment will primarily come from a Forge World, usually Mars itself although once in operation a Chapter's foundries will be responsible for producing the Chapter's equipment and this can include Terminator armour although rarely as the passage above points out since the Marines Errant have never been able to replace their losses personally which they would have been able to at least attempt had they the means to produce their own Terminator armour. If we go back to Salamander the Marines Malevolent Terminator armour is described as an 'ersatz variant' and archaic, and the description of how it looks is clearly a nod to the older Terminator models. Here though these outmoded suits are still being used and the gerneal appearance of the Marines Malevolent has them using old wargear roughly repaired; the Captain's power fist for example no-longer functions having fused solid some time in the past.

As for manpower, well like I say, drawing on the resources of a 'parent' Chapter is a fan theory. If that's the root you wish to take then you can pretty much describe the process however you like. However not all Chapters have homeworlds and never do. Fleet based or crusading Chapters take recruits from whereever they can get them and even with planetary based Chapters like the Ultramarines they draw recruits from multiple worlds; easier for them since they control their own mini Empire but it stands for other Chapters too. Although it is laregly defunct the Index Astartes article for the Ultra-Marines in White Dwarf 97 has an intersting section in it. Back then the Adeptus Astartes were known as the Legionnes Astartes and according to the article only those Chapters which had a homeworld were called 'Adeptus' Astartes. This was due to the fact that their Chapter Master would become the Imperial Commander/Planetary Governor for the world and would therefore be given the rank of Adept and the Chapter would accordingly become Adeptus Astartes.

Timescale - again this depends on how you want to go. The idea of using a Cadre of warriors from the parent Chapter pretty much works out like you say but as I don't like that theory and have my own I'll explain it a little just to give you a different opinion. I hold that losing (potentially at any rate, most people that use the Cadre idea have the Cadre become the new Chapter's HQ and they never go back to their own Chapter) officers and equipment is something no Chapter would ever do as they are too precious and secondly and more importantly I believe that if lfies in the face of the Codex Astartes. The LEgions were reformed into the Chapters to curb the power of the Astartes and ensure than no one man could wield the power of a Legion again. To me, one Chapter essentially being given a new Chapter breaks the spirit of the Codex, afterall what is to stop a more mercenary Chapter from simply using it as opportunity to expand their own power base? Indeed most people who use the Cadre theory have the Cadre impart the traditions, beliefs and practices of their Chapter to the new one essentially creating an extention to their Chapter with a different name. That doesn't seem right and it doesn't seem in keeping with the reverence and honour with which a Chapter holds its traditions. A new Chapter needs to make its own traditions.

With that in mind my own theory is that new Chapters are all trained within the Sol System. The advantage to this is that the tithes of gene-seed all go to Mars; we do know that other secret locations hold banks of gene-seed but they could well be shipped back to Mars when the High Lords decree a new Founding. Secondly Mars also produces the equipment a new Chapter needs and if becomes clear that the recruits are mutating because of some instability to the gene-seed being used then the Grey Knights are on hand to quickly get rid of them should the need arise. It also means that the Sol System potentially has several thousand tame Astartes on hand to deal with any incursions.

As to the recruits themselves, well, we already know that the test-slaves can be acquired to incubate the implants and create more gene-seed so its tands to reason that suitable recruits can also be gathered. Certainly this would be the case for any potential Librarians as we definitely know that when the Black Ships return to Earth the Adeptus Astra Telepathica choose those who look most promising to become Astartes. It seems reasonable to me that ordinary recruits can be easily found by the Mechanicus as needed. These recruits would then be trained within the Sol System, perhaps Mars or maybe a moon from one of the gas giants is used, or an orbital station et cetera. These recruits would be trained for many years just as with any Chapter and it could well be that Chapters sent their own masters to train these new Marines; a similar fasion to how Chapters send Marines to the Deathwatch and we also know that Telion is sometimes seconded to other Chapters so it is not too far fetched an idea. It could even be that Astartes too wounded to march to war anymore might travel to the Sol System to pass on their knowledge to new Marines before returning to their Chapter and carrying out whatever administrative duties the Chapter assigns them.

These recruits would devolop their own traditions and customs and those recruits that look likely to become Chaplains, Officers et cetera would be primed for such positions. This would carry on until such time as the recruits are deemed ready or until the opportunity of forming a new Chapter as part of a Founding arises. At that point they will finally be given their name and herladry and sent out into the galaxy to perform whatever duties the High Lords have decreed; the MArines Errant for example were one of five 'Crusade Chapters' whose duty was to '...forever quest and give battle. knowing no home but the grace of the Emperor's mercy, finding purpose only in the destruction of the enemies of Mankind.'

AS to your last point that is somewhat covered above, Chapters are created with a specific function in mind be it to guard against an alien threat, protect vital space-lanes from raids or whatever. After that point though a Chapter's duties may well change or the threat which they were created to defend against or destroy may become nullified and so they will turn their attention to other matters. Also, just because there are a million worlds in the Imperium it isn't really logical to simply devide up those worlds by X and say that force Y protects them. It rarely transpires that a Chapter or any Imperial force operates in such a way, usually countering specific threats or acting on their own recognisance in the case of a Chapter.

What others have already mentioned is pretty spot on. The fluff for marines is developing like everything else and some of it is unclear. I would like to raise a couple more points however and expand on some others.

Ultramarines do, supposedly, account for the majority of the gene-seed of the chapters in existence but there is nothing to say that other gene-seed is not used (even it is very rarely). The ways of the High Lords of Terra are a mystery.

The founding of a chapter is generally supposed to be due to an impending threat or need for manpower in an area so it would make sense that they are assigned where they would be needed. Placing them at random could mean a huge waste of the Imperium's finest. This will also, likely, determine if they are to be fleet based or set up on a homeworld (though even those with a homeworld can always find themselves becoming fleet based).

The number of chapters is believed to be around 1000 but much of the records have been lost so no one can say. There are likely many "forgotten" chapters tirelessly defending the Imperium just as their celebrated peers do.

Purple, Gogsnik, & Gridge;

Thank you all for your replies. It's all hefty food for thought, and I may reply in detail later, but in the meantime -

Gogsnik, I see your counter-arguments against the Cadre system, but it does seem to be quite possible that although the concept is fan-made, it's strongly hinted at in canon.

Lexicanum wrote:Not long into the year a question that had been concerning Imperial tacticians was at last seemingly answered. The interrogation of a captured Astral Claws Apothecary took an unexpected turn when the prisoner revealed that he was in fact a member of the Tiger Claws chapter, an Astral Claws descendent long thought lost. Further Inquisitorial research would eventually establish that the reasons Huron had withheld gene-seed for so long was that not only was he attempting to enlarge the size of the Astral Claws beyond Codex norms, he was attempting to secretly rebuild the almost wiped-out successor chapter, hiding the extant members within their parent chapter. This explained why the Astral Claws appeared able to take losses but not lose their fighting strength.

This implies a connection between the two chapters, and although the Astral Claws went all nuts as a result of this connection, the connection itself is one tolerated (if not encouraged) within the Imperium. The examples you brought in about the Marines Errant also supports the idea. Since marines are all about reverence of ancestors, I think it makes a lot of sense for them to be aware of their lineage. However, I strongly take on board that there's no canon evidence for a cadre of officers training a new Chapter.

The depth of knowledge you guys have rolled out there is fab by the way - very helpful indeed to know where the boundaries are between fanon and canon. I don't think I can quite go with the idea of 'unaligned astartes' training in the Sol system, since the Imperial Fists maintain a chapter keep on Terra, and recruit there (among other planets). I'm not quite sure what I will go with - perhaps the new chapter being formed, bit by bit, and training with other chapters, similar to how the Alpha Legion operated early in the great crusade as described in the 2nd ed Codex Chaos. So they have their own identity as a separate entity, but work a bit like the Mentor Legion until they have sufficient materials and manpower to go it alone?
In addition, the whole 'most marines look up to their forebears, the ultramarines' section in C:SM makes it pretty clear that a sense of lineage is common in Astartes traditions, and being descended from one of the First Founding Legions and their associated Primarchs is pretty important.

Also, this discussion has led me to a conclusion that perhaps the reason there's not much canon on the subject is that each founding is so removed from the last in time, and in justification, that each is handled differently, dependent upon requirements.

Alternately, of course, perhaps a more 'time compressed' version of the 'hanging out in Sol' version is how true foundings are handled - 5-10, maybe 20 chapters are all founded in one go, training with and against each other as they grow in strength, then sent out into the wider galaxy to face their foes. So the majority of the time there aren't 'newbie' marines hanging out there, but once every 500 years or so a founding is carried out en-masse?

Thanks again for your replies guys. I'm still mucking around a bit with ideas, and any more stuff or counter-arguments to what I've said above would be appreciated. I'll update y'all if I come to any definite conclusions.

Cap'n R

Here’s my idea, which probably doesn’t follow official fluff.

If an existing chapter is particularly successful it will tend to accumulate more troops and equipment than strictly allowed by the codex. It keeps winning battles with relatively low casualties, yet induction of new SMs must be maintained at an average rate in case of some sudden disaster.

When a new chapter is needed, the parent chapter forms a 14th company containing enough troops and equipment to form the cadre of the new chapter, and get rid of their excess.

More troops and equipment are added from the wrecked chapter the new one is going to replace.

A suitable home world is assigned from the existing catalogue of inhabited planets. Location depends on factors like proximity to the parent chapter, and long term strategic need.

Kilkrazy wrote:Here’s my idea, which probably doesn’t follow official fluff.

If an existing chapter is particularly successful it will tend to accumulate more troops and equipment than strictly allowed by the codex. It keeps winning battles with relatively low casualties, yet induction of new SMs must be maintained at an average rate in case of some sudden disaster.

When a new chapter is needed, the parent chapter forms a 14th company containing enough troops and equipment to form the cadre of the new chapter, and get rid of their excess.

More troops and equipment are added from the wrecked chapter the new one is going to replace.

A suitable home world is assigned from the existing catalogue of inhabited planets. Location depends on factors like proximity to the parent chapter, and long term strategic need.

The availability of gene-seed and suitable candidates could be a problem. I suppose, though, they could have been harvested from living marines and grown into new organs using slaves. It would still, in the majority of instances, have to be the Ultramarines or their successors who were doing this to keep it fluffy, most of whom would not go against the Codex restrictions set down by their own Primarch. It is all of course within the realm of possibility. Perhaps one day we will get more info on this.

The problem with geneseed is that the system as described doesn't work, because progenoid glands can only be harvested from dead troops.

So I ignore the official explanation, and assume the IoM keeps good stocks of geneseed on hand.

With a whole planet to recruit from, it shouldn't be too hard to find suitable candidates. Assuming a 1 in 1,000 success rate, you only need 17,000 recruits a year to get your new chapter up to full strength in 50 years. 17,000 is negligible assuming you aren't on an incredibly underpopulated planet.

Hey killkrazy, thanks for the response. One thing slightly confused me though:

Kilkrazy wrote:
More troops and equipment are added from the wrecked chapter the new one is going to replace.

Do you mean the donating chapter?

Also, one part of canon that might (sadly) interfere with your version:

Lexicanum wrote:
These must be sanctioned officially by the Master of the Adeptus Mechanicus and then by the High Lords of Terra, speaking for the Emperor, who alone can give permission for the creation of a new Chapter.

Of course, if permission is obtained in advance, it's of no concern.

cheers,
Cap'n R

The wrecked chapter is the one which has been so ground down in fighting that it is better to break it up and start a new one. The donating chapter is the successful fun, which has grown too large.

I am assuming that permission is given for a new chapter when an old one is dissolved, in order to maintain the limit of 1,000.

The wrecked chapter is dissolved. The surviving personnel and equipment are dispersed or incorporated into a new unit.

Kilkrazy wrote:The problem with geneseed is that the system as described doesn't work, because progenoid glands can only be harvested from dead troops.

Apart from thats not true, the first can be removed after 5 years from a living marine, it is the one in the chest cavity that is left till death to harvest.

index astartes wrote:Apothecaries remove Progenoids after they have matured or if a Marine has died in combat

Captain Roderick wrote:This implies a connection between the two chapters, and although the Astral Claws went all nuts as a result of this connection, the connection itself is one tolerated (if not encouraged) within the Imperium.

Whilst it isn't mentioned on Lexicanum, the passage from Imperial Armour IX says that when the Apothecary revealed his true origin his interrogators were genuinely shocked and then further 'dire and extreme' interrogative measures were then unleased in utter secrecy. It goes on to say that, 'evidence was quickly amassed of an unforesen and terrible heresy' and as it turned out the Tiger Claws had sought sanctuary with the Astral Claws secretly and this is described as a sin. The connection of one Chapter to another in terms of lineage is not the problem, any Chapter can say that their gene-seed originated from X Chapter. What is completely unnaceptable is one Chapter subsuming another or for a Chapter to increase its numbers beyind those dictated by the Codex.

In balance however I did read something that supports both theories. I've only skim read Imperial Armour IX which is why only just saw it but in the Novamarines section under their Known Descendants it says, 'None officially listed but they are known to have had the honour of their Brethren selected to aid the Founding of several Ultramarines gene-seed successor Chapters in the past, notably the Dark Sons and Angels of Fury.'

The Carde theory usually goes along the lines of Chapter X finds out their gene-seed is being used in a new Chapter and then send officers to become the new Chapters HQ and only rarely do people have these officers return to their Chapter. My own theory has a Chapter/various Chapters contribute masters to aid the training of new Chapters. Based on the above information we can see that a cadre of officers was not sent to become a HQ and it seems also that the Novamarines gene-seed wasn't used either but some of the Chapter's Marines did 'aid in the founding' however you wish to interpret that which I would say also supports my own idea with a Chapter sending some marines to help in a founding.

BluntmanDC wrote:Apart from thats not true, the first can be removed after 5 years from a living marine, it is the one in the chest cavity that is left till death to harvest.

Both Progenoid Glands can be removed when they are mature; five years for the neck gland and ten years for the chest gland.

I don't know much about the beginnings about the chapters but I do know a bit about homeworlds.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cretacia

This link goes to lexi about a planet that the Flesh Tearers SM chapter took on as their homeworld.

I do believe that Chapters are generally assigned an area of space to protect and some are just space faring. But I also believe that others are given leeway to find a planet and settle down.

Of course Cretacia was an undiscovered planet, making it easier set up as a homeworld (I doubt they would allow a chapter to randomly select an imperial world).

Also I don't recall seeing this in the question or in other's replies, though it is related to the issue about wargear. What about the relics? Most chapters have relics from some primarch or someone or another. Are they donated from founding/parent chapters? Or are they some how magically found?

And with terminator armour, I remember in the Fear the Alien book

Relics can come on various forms but it is highly unlikely that a Chapter would ever give away one of its relics, especially if it had some connection to a Primarch.

However a relic could simply be a sword wielded by various champions during the Chapter's history. Because of all the worthy deeds it has helped the Chapter accomplish it becomes a relic of the Chapter. It is not unheard of for some ancient artefact be discovered by the Chapter and thence become a relic of the Chapter.

You say your chapter found storage rooms filled with Armor, weapons and geneseed to help provide for your chapter. Just a Thought.

Asherian Command wrote:You say your chapter found storage rooms filled with Armor, weapons and geneseed to help provide for your chapter. Just a Thought.

Storage rooms in what?
And most of their stuff would be made fresh for them by the AdMech during their founding.

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:You say your chapter found storage rooms filled with Armor, weapons and geneseed to help provide for your chapter. Just a Thought.

Storage rooms in what?
And most of their stuff would be made fresh for them by the AdMech during their founding.

Really? Huh. I have only ever read the desturction of chapters, and the heresy. But it would make sense. I think the chapter would have newer models of Armor like i think the Imperium has passed the mark VIII part and is now on Mark VIVI.
Like storage houses that the chapter found while investigating some type of world that has a facility that once held a now destroyed chapter but still has all of its technologies locked in stasis.

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:You say your chapter found storage rooms filled with Armor, weapons and geneseed to help provide for your chapter. Just a Thought.

Storage rooms in what?
And most of their stuff would be made fresh for them by the AdMech during their founding.

Really? Huh. I have only ever read the desturction of chapters, and the heresy. But it would make sense. I think the chapter would have newer models of Armor like i think the Imperium has passed the mark VIII part and is now on Mark VIVI.
Like storage houses that the chapter found while investigating some type of world that has a facility that once held a now destroyed chapter but still has all of its technologies locked in stasis.

I'm sorry Mark VIVI? Do you mean Mark IX?

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:You say your chapter found storage rooms filled with Armor, weapons and geneseed to help provide for your chapter. Just a Thought.

Storage rooms in what?
And most of their stuff would be made fresh for them by the AdMech during their founding.

Really? Huh. I have only ever read the desturction of chapters, and the heresy. But it would make sense. I think the chapter would have newer models of Armor like i think the Imperium has passed the mark VIII part and is now on Mark VIVI.
Like storage houses that the chapter found while investigating some type of world that has a facility that once held a now destroyed chapter but still has all of its technologies locked in stasis.

I'm sorry Mark VIVI? Do you mean Mark IX?

yeah. DAMN YOU AUTO CORRECTER!
But I am interested in the next mark armors. It is possible for the Imperium to make new technology that is Power Armor. Hell they have improved Terminator armor so that it is completely sealed. Unlike the heresy were it was open in some parts.
Not only that but this chapter has to have we are very young feel to it.

Asherian Command wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:You say your chapter found storage rooms filled with Armor, weapons and geneseed to help provide for your chapter. Just a Thought.

Storage rooms in what?
And most of their stuff would be made fresh for them by the AdMech during their founding.

Really? Huh. I have only ever read the desturction of chapters, and the heresy. But it would make sense. I think the chapter would have newer models of Armor like i think the Imperium has passed the mark VIII part and is now on Mark VIVI.
Like storage houses that the chapter found while investigating some type of world that has a facility that once held a now destroyed chapter but still has all of its technologies locked in stasis.

I'm sorry Mark VIVI? Do you mean Mark IX?

yeah. DAMN YOU AUTO CORRECTER!
But I am interested in the next mark armors. It is possible for the Imperium to make new technology that is Power Armor. Hell they have improved Terminator armor so that it is completely sealed. Unlike the heresy were it was open in some parts.
Not only that but this chapter has to have we are very young feel to it.

You realise that's why the OP asked us about it? A new chapter wouldn't have that many suits of terminator armour. And the power armour R&D programme stopped shortly after the Horus Heresy.

purplefood wrote:
You realise that's why the OP asked us about it? A new chapter wouldn't have that many suits of terminator armour. And the power armour R&D programme stopped shortly after the Horus Heresy.

What? Thats freaking *silly*. Damn you GW! But then why do the Mentors legion have such cool equipment! ARGH!

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:
You realise that's why the OP asked us about it? A new chapter wouldn't have that many suits of terminator armour. And the power armour R&D programme stopped shortly after the Horus Heresy.

What? Thats freaking *silly*. Damn you GW! But then why do the Mentors legion have such cool equipment! ARGH!

They are basically the Spec-ops chapter... they don't really do much either.
The AdMech like them, the Inquisition like them...
They get all the shiny shiny toys...

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:
You realise that's why the OP asked us about it? A new chapter wouldn't have that many suits of terminator armour. And the power armour R&D programme stopped shortly after the Horus Heresy.

What? Thats freaking *silly*. Damn you GW! But then why do the Mentors legion have such cool equipment! ARGH!

They are basically the Spec-ops chapter... they don't really do much either.
The AdMech like them, the Inquisition like them...
They get all the shiny shiny toys...

I officially want there to be more chapters like that XD. Do that.

The Mentor Legion test the Imperium's experimental weapons and technology so they are an exception.

Gogsnik wrote:The Mentor Legion test the Imperium's experimental weapons and technology so they are an exception.

Why does 'experimental weapon' have such bad connotations?

purplefood wrote:

Gogsnik wrote:The Mentor Legion test the Imperium's experimental weapons and technology so they are an exception.

Why does 'experimental weapon' have such bad connotations?

It would be cool if they had a gun that shoots mininukes just saying. Or rocket powered fists. OR giant robots! OR POWERED FEET!
And it has bad connotations because they could be a rapid fire version of the plasma weapons that are wrist mounted.

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Gogsnik wrote:The Mentor Legion test the Imperium's experimental weapons and technology so they are an exception.

Why does 'experimental weapon' have such bad connotations?

It would be cool if they had a gun that shoots mininukes just saying. Or rocket powered fists. OR giant robots! OR POWERED FEET!
And it has bad connotations because they could be a rapid fire version of the plasma weapons that are wrist mounted.

Considering plasma guns aren't experimental and they still kill their users i would hate to see an actual experimental weapon...

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Gogsnik wrote:The Mentor Legion test the Imperium's experimental weapons and technology so they are an exception.

Why does 'experimental weapon' have such bad connotations?

It would be cool if they had a gun that shoots mininukes just saying. Or rocket powered fists. OR giant robots! OR POWERED FEET!
And it has bad connotations because they could be a rapid fire version of the plasma weapons that are wrist mounted.

Considering plasma guns aren't experimental and they still kill their users i would hate to see an actual experimental weapon...

Plasma is a lost technology so maybe they will try to replicate it and try and make a new version of it?

The Mentor Legion used to have access to the Targetting Web, Time Warper and Shift Field as well as the snazy Mentor Boltgun of course but as to what other equipment they had access to, it was never game playable.

Gogsnik wrote:The Mentor Legion used to have access to the Targetting Web, Time Warper and Shift Field as well as the snazy Mentor Boltgun of course but as to what other equipment they had access to, it was never game playable.

make for great lore and writing though. And also they could have some awesome looking equipment.