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So, as we know, the Lore of Shadow lets the wizard swap places with a friendly character of the same troop type within 18"

I am considering building a list around this concept, with a very large number of infantry characters (at least one per unit) and all tooled for different situations.

My question is this: if I swap a character with hatred into an already ongoing combat, does he get to re-roll his misses? Assume the combat the wizard is leaving and the priest is coming into has already gone through at least one round. There are two sub-questions:

1) If the character was already part of a different combat.
instinctively, I'd say no... he's already burned his hatred re-roll and didn't have a break to get it back.

2) If the character was unengaged at the time the spell was cast.
here I'd say yes, because I think it's similar to if the character simply charged into the combat on his own.

I'll throw in 3) if the character was already part of the same combat. However, I think it's a fairly easy answer: if it would be his first round of combat if he had stayed in his old unit, then it still is. If it wasn't, it isn't.

Thoughts on this?

Manchu wrote:It's a lie, K_K, pure Imperial propaganda. Where's the Talon of Horus, huh? Plus everyone knows the Imperium planned and carried out the invasion of Cadia itself. Bin Abaddon was just a convenient scapegoat.
 
   
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For both 1 and 2, I'd actually say that the character may use his hatred re-roll because it is his first round of CC with the unit in both cases.

For 3 it's defiantly no re-roll for him.
   
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As above - if it is a new combat for THAT character, he gets hatred and the rerolls from it.

If it isnt the first round of a fight for that character, as in 3, then hatred doesnt give you any rerolls.
   
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Oceanside, CA

What if you pull a character out of unit that is in it's 3rd round of combat, and put him into a unit that just charged?

I know from other FAQ's GW has been inconsistent in this.
An Assassin revealed in the 2nd round doesn't get hate; off hand, I don't remember the example that cut the other way.

Honestly, I would go if it's the 1st round, you get hate, and if it isn't you don't.
My support?
A character who joins a unit counts as part of that unit.
If the unit is past it's 1st round of combat, then so is that character.

The flip side would be my first question. If you pulled a character (warrior priest) out of fight, and put him into a first round unit, they would all get the hate.

-Matt


 thedarkavenger wrote:

So. I got a game with this list in. First game in at least 3-4 months.
 
   
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Matt, I think you're mistaken.

Hatred says, you can re-roll misses in your first round of combat.

So we've got two (A and B)units fighting, and a third unit charges in(C). C contains a shadow wizard and A contains a priest.

Now you swap the priest into C. C has acquired the hatred rule, meaning it can re-roll its attacks. However, it is NOT the priest's first round of combat, so he himself can't re-roll his misses... just all the other rank-and-file models in the unit (due to the priest roll never affecting other characters).

The assassin example is a bit unhelpful because he was already there disguised as a regular elf.


Manchu wrote:It's a lie, K_K, pure Imperial propaganda. Where's the Talon of Horus, huh? Plus everyone knows the Imperium planned and carried out the invasion of Cadia itself. Bin Abaddon was just a convenient scapegoat.
 
   
 
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