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Is the fluff from the 40k video-games like Dawn of War cannon? And for the games with multiple endings which endings would be considered cannon?

Yes and no. The story line is canon, but the in game capabilities are game mechanics, not actual canon. So yes, in 40k canon there is a chapter called the Blood Ravens who did all the things they did in the story line.

As far as I know, Dark Crusade the Space Marines won. Soulstorm, the IG won. I could be wrong, but that's what I've heard.

Cannon is a big gun. No fluff equals a big gun. Anyway:

Dawn of War is a PC game which has its own rules, like having planets with all fractions present, and winning/losing endings for all fractions. Not all can be true, sometimes you can look up in official fluff who actually won. PC games don't allow for subtle presentation of fluff anyway. So it is less trustworthy than BL novels. Some people even present DoW content deliberately false in threads (like Tau hater threads), hoping that other people will believe them if the lies are repeated often enough (-> "Tau sterilize everyone" ).

GW's official statement is that everything produced by them is canon in the sense, that someone in the 40k universe tells it that way, whether it is correct or not. After C.S.Goto's novels though, control over BL novels is stricter.

That is true, according to GW, everything they released is canon...but not all canon is true. Some canon could easily be Imperial propaganda (cough, Uplifiting Primer, cough)

GW doesn't release video games.


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I mean eff, if you're gonna take a videogame as canon, Fire Warrior depicts a Fire Warrior defeating nearly everyone up to and including a Daemon Prince with a massive variety of weapons, the weakest of which is the pulse rifle.

I thought you could use a lasgun in Fire Warrior? And I will rephrase my statement....anything with a GW sanctioned Warhammer 40k logo on it is canon.

There, that works methinks.

Yes, you can use a lasgun. It's better than a pulse rifle.

Kilkrazy wrote:Yes, you can use a lasgun. It's better than a pulse rifle.

true.

But I do not consider the romance between the Eldar and Captain Gabriel Angelous canon.

Kilkrazy wrote:Yes, you can use a lasgun. It's better than a pulse rifle.

...What is this? That doesn't even make sense! I...I'm not going to try and follow the logic there.

i thought the Tau really did sterilize humans? didn't GW make some effort to make them a little more sinister like the rest?

I wasn't really concerned about the mechanics in the games. I know in Dawn of War the Tau weaponry is very different from the actual game.
I was more interested in the events depicted in the games or events referenced the the games.

As a side note I'm pretty sure there were only rumors of human sterilization.

ChrisWWII wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Yes, you can use a lasgun. It's better than a pulse rifle.

...What is this? That doesn't even make sense! I...I'm not going to try and follow the logic there.

FPS convention is that the first gun you have is the weakest and you pick up better ones as you progress in the game.

As a Tau Fire Warrior, your first gun is a pulse rifle. Later on you pick up a variety of weapons such as lasgun, laspistol, bolter, plasma gun and burst cannon.

The anthology "Fear the Xenos"(specifically the story 'Unity') makes a mention of it from a Raven Guard Marine who'd served on Nimbosa, so...

I'd say that the Tau sterilizing humans who don't actually willingly join(which is what it always has been. The non-'grateful' members of their new Glorious Society!) has pretty much become canon now.

Psychosaur wrote:I wasn't really concerned about the mechanics in the games. I know in Dawn of War the Tau weaponry is very different from the actual game.
I was more interested in the events depicted in the games or events referenced the the games.

As a side note I'm pretty sure there were only rumors of human sterilization.

Not even rumours, actually.

If you watch the Tau victory ending movie, which is available on YouTube, it says is that the humans who won't give up allegiance to the IoM are put into prisons (where they can't breed, of course, being segregated) and Tau colonists are brought on to the planet. Some years later, the demographics of the planet have shifted in favour of Tau.

This is exactly what would happen with colonists arriving, of course.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Psychosaur wrote:I wasn't really concerned about the mechanics in the games. I know in Dawn of War the Tau weaponry is very different from the actual game.
I was more interested in the events depicted in the games or events referenced the the games.

As a side note I'm pretty sure there were only rumors of human sterilization.

Not even rumours, actually.

If you watch the Tau victory ending movie, which is available on YouTube, it says is that the humans who won't give up allegiance to the IoM are put into prisons (where they can't breed, of course, being segregated) and Tau colonists are brought on to the planet. Some years later, the demographics of the planet have shifted in favour of Tau.

This is exactly what would happen with colonists arriving, of course.

Yeah. The Tau are evil

Asherian Command wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Psychosaur wrote:I wasn't really concerned about the mechanics in the games. I know in Dawn of War the Tau weaponry is very different from the actual game.
I was more interested in the events depicted in the games or events referenced the the games.

As a side note I'm pretty sure there were only rumors of human sterilization.

Not even rumours, actually.

If you watch the Tau victory ending movie, which is available on YouTube, it says is that the humans who won't give up allegiance to the IoM are put into prisons (where they can't breed, of course, being segregated) and Tau colonists are brought on to the planet. Some years later, the demographics of the planet have shifted in favour of Tau.

This is exactly what would happen with colonists arriving, of course.

Yeah. The Tau are evil

Less evil than just purging the xenos filth.
And besides maybe having less humans around is for the Greater Good.

Kanluwen wrote:The anthology "Fear the Xenos"(specifically the story 'Unity')......

The story of Guardsmen deepfried to be consumed by Kroot?

Thats what you become if you don't purge this Galaxy of the xenos filth - food.
Who wants to be dinner?

I recommend you recheck you Damocled Gulf edition Primer, Guardsman! It has a very lovely detailed report on the base xenos known as the Tau.

Did you know the main weapon on Tau tanks is no stronger than a hot shot lasgun shot? Or that the Tau have no words for 'honor' or 'truth'?

If you did not, please stand still and wait while I call the Commissar.

I have played Chaos Gate, Space Hulk, Final Liberation and DoW Dark Crusade.

Although some of the particulars like squad size and little thing like that are not true to GW standards, none of the storylines seem contradictory to anything in existing story in any of those games, and there is nothing that far off from believable 40k scenarios. They aren't specific about the nature of the Blood Ravens "dark secrets and mysterious artifacts" in DoW for instance, so I don't see how it could be seen as contrary to canon. All the races appear to be behaving exactly as they are described in 40k (Orks are unruly, Marines are obsessed, Guard are easily broken and scared of their commissar, Eldar are playing everybody, etc)

I haven't played Firewarrior but I am not inclined to. I don't think 40k translates well to a FPS because all FPS games come down to one guy taking on a legion. That's fine for Doom or something that exists in its own reality, but in 40k everybody dies horribly and in droves, so it's just a big leap of poetic license with a single tau. Maybe if it was a Sly Marbo FPS versus some nids I could dig it.

It was never released as far as I know but a friend of mine showed me an article in a gaming magazine, around 1999, and it was for a 40K FPS where you played an Eversor; the screen shots showed the Eversor's Executor Pistol, anyone remember anything about that?

And why the game story is not cannon? DoW are maybe little unrealistic (fully upgraded Guardsman squad is better than fully upgraded SM squad), but the story is cannon. Video Games are like reading a book and taking part in a story.

There's only one ending that is considered 'canon' for the Dawn of War games(ex: for Chaos Rising it's the ending where you don't have fully corrupted Marines).

Psychosaur wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Psychosaur wrote:I wasn't really concerned about the mechanics in the games. I know in Dawn of War the Tau weaponry is very different from the actual game.
I was more interested in the events depicted in the games or events referenced the the games.

As a side note I'm pretty sure there were only rumors of human sterilization.

Not even rumours, actually.

If you watch the Tau victory ending movie, which is available on YouTube, it says is that the humans who won't give up allegiance to the IoM are put into prisons (where they can't breed, of course, being segregated) and Tau colonists are brought on to the planet. Some years later, the demographics of the planet have shifted in favour of Tau.

This is exactly what would happen with colonists arriving, of course.

Yeah. The Tau are evil

Less evil than just purging the xenos filth.
And besides maybe having less humans around is for the Greater Good.

The Tau aren't less ruthless in purging perceived threats, they're just too naive to recognize all the threats they face. They also lack a warp presence, and so know nothing of Chaos, thinking it idle superstition on the part of other races, which means that they don't fall to chaos worship (though since the Ethereals control the rest with pheromones, that probably wouldn't be too much of a problem anyways), but are also ignorant of the threat it poses.

Kanluwen wrote:The anthology "Fear the Xenos"(specifically the story 'Unity') makes a mention of it from a Raven Guard Marine who'd served on Nimbosa, so...

I'd say that the Tau sterilizing humans who don't actually willingly join(which is what it always has been. The non-'grateful' members of their new Glorious Society!) has pretty much become canon now.

The Deathwatch RPG fluff explicitly makes mention of forced sterilization and reeducation camps in the Tau-controlled regions of the Jericho Reach. I didn't pay too much attention to the reactions here, but a lot of people got very, very upset about it over at Warseer.

I like that. they should be grimdark commies. not some naive cute and cuddly race.

mrsmith wrote:I like that. they should be grimdark commies. not some naive cute and cuddly race.

I for one like their naivety. It gives us hilarious things like the deal with the Dark Eldar, where they thought they could bargain and expect to come out on top, and it cost them the entire population of a planet.

I also recall hearing of some story where necrons show up on a Tau world under attack by tyranids and wipe out the Tyranids. The Tau welcome their "saviors" with open arms, and are slaughtered for it. At which I can only laugh and say "oh, those wacky Tau, what catastrophe will they blunder into next?"

mrsmith wrote:i thought the Tau really did sterilize humans? didn't GW make some effort to make them a little more sinister like the rest?

In a non-GW PC-game, in an alternative ending definitely not happening in the official 40k-timeline, an Imperial narrator is speculating, why male and female humans who are in separate prison camps don't have so many children (ask mommy and daddy about that ). His third likeliest theory is that Tau sterilize anyone. This led Tau haters to post in every "Tau is TH3 3VULZZZ" thread that Tau sterilize anyone on sight. BTW they are no commies either, that is just a reflex to identify Tau with what people hate most (commies in USA and Nazis in Europe).

1hadhq wrote:The story of Guardsmen deepfried to be consumed by Kroot?

What, Goto is still writing for BL?
Anyway, Kroot are not Tau, and eating enemies is a biological necessity for them.

Brother Coa wrote:Video Games are like reading a book and taking part in a story.

Cute
Guess you never read real literature, only novelizations of ego shooters.

Kroothawk wrote:

In a non-GW PC-game, in an alternative ending definitely not happening in the official 40k-timeline, an Imperial narrator is speculating, why male and female humans who are in separate prison camps don't have so many children (ask mommy and daddy about that ). His third likeliest theory is that Tau sterilize anyone. This led Tau haters to post in every "Tau is TH3 3VULZZZ" thread that Tau sterilize anyone on sight. BTW they are no commies either, that is just a reflex to identify Tau with what people hate most (commies in USA and Nazis in Europe).

Should I post the cover or is everyone aware of the GW and 40k logo's?
GW did claim to have influence andd GW also kept anything down they can't influence.
I assume most of us know of the neccessity of an open end when multiple factions can be played.
Tau just got a end that isn't a happy one for the local populace.

Maybe your paranoia of the existence of "tau haters" is the issue?
Nobody except the Tau fanbase jumps on any "disrespectful" notion. People use the chance to let them go in defensive posts and lenghty explanations.
So GW was right to give their vehicle fish names. They rise to any bait......

Must live in a different europe, since I can't remember any Tau called a nazi.

Kroothawk wrote:

1hadhq wrote:The story of Guardsmen deepfried to be consumed by Kroot?

What, Goto is still writing for BL?
Anyway, Kroot are not Tau, and eating enemies is a biological necessity for them.

Kroothawk wrote:
Cute
Guess you never read real literature, only novelizations of ego shooters.

Soul Drinker Omnibus, Fifteen Hours - that's for know when it comes to Warhammer.
Орлови рано лете, На Дрини ћуприја, Башта сљезаве боје, Ана Карењина, Чича Горио, Дечаци Павлове улице, Рат Дугмића, Хајдуци, Човекова судбина, Том Сојер, Острво са благом, Робинсон Крусо... and that's only the top of the ice berg...
Various Encyclopedias, History books, science books...
Mass Effect Revelations and now I am reading Ascension...
Never read real literature huh?

1hadhq wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:The anthology "Fear the Xenos"(specifically the story 'Unity')......

The story of Guardsmen deepfried to be consumed by Kroot?

Thats what you become if you don't purge this Galaxy of the xenos filth - food.
Who wants to be dinner?

Kroot don't eat fried food.


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