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So I have managed to rope an old friend into the game and he is dead set on building a necron army. This will of course make him play with at least one monolith, so I would like you guys to give me the best unit/way of taking down his monolith.

Yes. Power klaws, which you should have anyway.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Yes. Power klaws, which you should have anyway.

Won't work as you have to use unmodified str score... deffrolla is about the only thing we have since you can't glance it to death either.

Warboss and deffrolas are best bet... But don't be too sure that it will do the trick... Warboss yes, but deffrola has cca 9% chance of destroying lith:p

zane2131 wrote:

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Yes. Power klaws, which you should have anyway.

Won't work as you have to use unmodified str score... deffrolla is about the only thing we have since you can't glance it to death either.

Oh please no one post about this rule debate again.

Power Claws depend on whether or not your local FLGS/GW/Tournament allows Furious Charge to work against the Monolith as this is a very debated rule. My local does not play that it works however, plenty do.

A str10 Powerclaw should bring it down with some decent dice rolls but if you are using deffrolla in your list than use that while your warboss eats up necron metal.

Edit: Honestly though, use the speed of the Orcs against the usually slower Necron lists and go for Phase Out. If you can out-maneuver the Necron player than he won't have a chance.

zane2131 wrote:

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Yes. Power klaws, which you should have anyway.

Won't work as you have to use unmodified str score... deffrolla is about the only thing we have since you can't glance it to death either.

You use the weapons unmodified strength score, not the models. So power Klaws will work, just like power fists will work.

Melchiour wrote:

zane2131 wrote:

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Yes. Power klaws, which you should have anyway.

Won't work as you have to use unmodified str score... deffrolla is about the only thing we have since you can't glance it to death either.

You use the weapons unmodified strength score, not the models. So power Klaws will work, just like power fists will work.

I believe OP was more along the lines of talking about Penetrating the Monolith with them using furious charge and not glancing. Which is the reason for my previous post.

There is ZERO debate on Powerclaws, their weapon profile is 2x Str of Model, so any model carrying one will get to double their str against the Monolith. Use the Warboss at Str10 and roll well and boom goes the Monolith

Yea, monoliths are just annoying as hell for anyone. Warboss w/ PK tends to be the option I use because w/ gauss weapons It's too easy for them to stop a deffrolla.

Yes PKs work, no FC doesn't. Just want to put that out there.

Well Shas'O Dorian I was mearly stating that there are plenty of rule arguments for FC working and I didn't want to start yet another one here. I did want to mention though that it does depend on how the local community plays that rule. Just like the Deep Striking rules.

Yes it can be easy to stop a deffrolla with Gauss however if the Orc player has enough fast CC units running up the field, the Necron player may not have any left over Gauss to take out fire support. And the longer the Warboss stays out of CC the more the unit gets shot to death by everything else. I more often see the that the Warboss only gets destroy the Monolith if the opportunity presents itself.

Warboss on bike with PK. You could try the trick with the biker boss attached to snikrot+kommandos. Sneak it in, release the boss and let him krump tin'eads

Warboss on bike with PK. You could try the trick with the biker boss attached to snikrot+kommandos. Sneak it in, release the boss and let him krump tin'eads

Is that legal?

It is

Deffrolla and pks. If all else fails, ignore the liths and try and phase him out.

Well, actually I'd say ignore them from start and phase him out... You should have no problem with that unless he packs nightbringer...

Chinchilla wrote:It is

I'm glad I found out about it as well, I want to try it really bad I never understood why it was legal TBH but hey I don't complain since I'm the only ork player from my gaming group

But yes. The PK boss would be your best bet methinks. With all the guass flying about a battlewagon would get shot up quite bad before it manages to rumble to its target. A PK boss is twice as fast and with the right gear would be very VERY hard to kill

Well, snikrot gives him and every model in his unit that special ability... That's the whole trick... So if warboss starts in that unit, he can use that special outflank too

Now this is more anti-necron tactics than anti-monolith. Honestly I think every Ork player should be packing infiltrating units against Necrons, Monolith or not.... Good way to get rid of a destroyer back line...

Warboss on bike with snikrot sounds like the cheapest thing ever.... do it.

loota boy wrote:Warboss on bike with snikrot sounds like the cheapest thing ever.... do it.

Not as bad as attaching Ghazzy to it. The look on your opponent's face...

Chinchilla wrote:Well, snikrot gives him and every model in his unit that special ability... That's the whole trick... So if warboss starts in that unit, he can use that special outflank too

Ah something to keep in mind is that you hold the unit in "Reserve" not outflank. Since the wording of the rule states the when the unit comes in from reserve, all you have to do is hold the kommandos in reserve, you can't actually outflank with them with an attached warboss.

Not to mention that it is expensive unit... 10 pts per kommandos and lots more for snikrot... If you tak min of 4+snikrot it is 135pts.... And will die quite easy:p

Chinchilla wrote:Not to mention that it is expensive unit... 10 pts per kommandos and lots more for snikrot... If you tak min of 4+snikrot it is 135pts.... And will die quite easy:p

Everything in the ork book other than nobs and WBs die easy. Everything that ISN"T a grot or boy is expensive for what you get. Ambusing ICs and kommandos with 2 burnas (for flambe or PW goodness) is worth the expense.

Well, i think it depends... You can still drive warboss to your opponent quite fast... So I prefer to put him in bw... But if you go green tide, it can be nice addon... Kanz wall not so much since you need 2 kffs...

It all depends... It is expensive, but if it goes nicely with your list, go for it... If not, stay at conventional things

Deff rollas wreck monoliths.

extrenm(54) wrote:Deff rollas wreck monoliths.

Not really...being a skimmer the monolith can dodge so youre hitting on a 1 or a 2.

It CAN work but its really not as effective as one might think...Your better off w a PK equipped warboss.

Unless you have deffrollas, just attack everything else until they phase out. That's how most armies fight Necrons anyway.

I actually think Monoliths are a bit of a point sink. When you have Phase out to worry about, every point should go into actual Necrons.

But still, with your speed, you should have no problems taking out the slow stuff.

It depends... I play my crons and until liths are destroyed, no phase out are possible... That's why I play nightbringer... Just for 6'' push
While liths protect him from rollas, assaults and lootas, and my entire army is whithin 6'' of nightbringer... Tested it against wagon list and it works like charm...

So if opponent doesn't have nightbringer, don't even worry about liths and phase him out... If he has, try deffrolas and most important thing is warboss... He has 35% chance to destroy lith that moved 6''... Deffrollas only 9%...

Deffrollas and S10 power klaws (from warbosses, Kans, and Dreads) are the best ways for Orks to kill Monoliths.

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