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what do you guys think about 3 squads of 3 hive guard 450points 18shots toughness6 18wounds?

24inch range shooty through walls yes SM's get there armor but s8 to t4 is insta death for there multi wound models

just an idea

do primes give the alpha bonus to anything other then warriors and can hive tyrants/swarmlord join a trygon or carnifex

also independent characters if they dont have fleet but the squad they join does do they get it? vice versa?

Oh god...American, yes? *shakes head*

9 hive guards is decent to use. Many lists do it.
No to the rest. The Prime only gives his bonus to warriors, Swarmy/Hive Tyrant can't join a fex or trygon, fleet isn't given to anyone.

EDIT:

Neroku: I'm sorry. The first sentence of this post was so unneccesary that...I can't really understand what I was doing.
Criticizing someone because of how they spell is so immature and stupid, it's not something I normally do.
Except my heartfelt apology here are some old posts of mine from another forum to showcase that I shouldn't even begin to talk about how people spell:

posted by Oscarius (Famous Hero) at 07:24, 18 Nov 2007

I think the warlocks cool but im bad playing with them

And then the knight, all the others are doing thier own work but he must force a little inocent (srry for spelling) kid to carry his banner and all. (I gues his got to fix his tent to )

posted by oscarius (Famous Hero) at 11:20, 19 Nov 2007

Acadamy (of course)
Magic, cool robots and the right to poke on things and make new
(Only 1 problem, im afraid of heigths)

Luck is superior all!!!!!! Empowerd lucky spells Lucky emrald dragon Lucky, lucky. lucky
(It would be good if the hero had morale image yourself as a warlock with 5 morale and luck)

That brings back memories...

What does being American have to do with anything? If you're trying to make an offensive generalization, I'd appreciate it if you refrained from it on a board dedicated to wargaming.

I've faced down Hive Guard with both my Chaos and Dark Eldar, and I'm fearful of them for their formidable anti-transport powers and the sheer difficulty of killing them, depending on what terrain you're using.

Just make sure to bring two units of them at least. In my experience against them, a single brood dies too quickly, as it's quickly given priority by your enemies as soon as they figure out that the guard are your most reliable ranged anti-tank.

Hold on, I've got one:
To svensker snakket sammen.
Den ene sa til den andre: "Jag är inteligent."
"Inte jag heller", svarte den andre.

But yeah, Hive guard are great. There is another swede who models them very well from warrior bodies.
And that guy has my respect, as he refrains from ethnic slurs.

Atleast my question was answered


I had another question that I forgot to post should I remove 1 group for zoanthropes? I had an experience against an eldar force where they shot for 2 turns everything they had and only got 1 wound on 1 of my zoans in a squad of 2 but that has nothing to do with my actual concern of land raiders lol or worse the chaos land raider(I see 1 in almost every tournament)

Zoanthropes to kill a landraider, right?
3 of em is 180, plus a spore is 220. Thats just 20 points less than the landraider you took them to kill.

I'd stick with MCs as still the best way to pop armor.

Ok cool I like how the zoanthrops eat alot of shots before going down I faced IG 2day and again they took 2rounds to kill 1 dumping all there fire at them and 1 was still Alive at the end but the hive guard did the most damage next to my trygon prime who gave 9 wounds to 1 squad at ap5 for 9unsaved wounds lol gotta love that 5+saves lol

Ig in my part of the world generally can down the whole brood in one sitting. How many times has that happened? A 3+save doesnt last that long.

Neroku wrote:what do you guys think about 3 squads of 3 hive guard 450points 18shots toughness6 18wounds?

24inch range shooty through walls yes SM's get there armor but s8 to t4 is insta death for there multi wound models

just an idea

do primes give the alpha bonus to anything other then warriors and can hive tyrants/swarmlord join a trygon or carnifex

also independent characters if they dont have fleet but the squad they join does do they get it? vice versa?

Maxing out Hive Guard is one of the most common competitive choices you can go with for nids. Just make sure you have other slots ready to deal with AV 14.

Mine die in combat vs the now angry landraider contents. They are very fragile in combat.

Doomthumbs wrote:Mine die in combat vs the now angry landraider contents. They are very fragile in combat.

Protect them with CC troops?

Although I will admit, angry Land Raider contents (TH/SS probably) will ruin any nids day, except maybe the swarmlords.

No, his too.

Doomthumbs wrote:No, his too.

lol

Yeah, if you've got a th/ss

Lol but what should I run for the av14 if I'm out of elite slots? Carnifexs? What upgrades
Toxin sacs don't work right? Idk

When all else fails, ignore AV 14. Most of the time you don't need to kill it in order to win.

The question 'To Zoanthrope or not to Zoanthrope?' is, as with almost everything else in the entire codex, very dependent on everything else you bring in your army. To use a zoey to his greatest potential you have to min/max him and put him to multiple uses covering for other parts of your list. The obvious one is lancing armor. Everyone knows about OH GOD STR 10 LANCE AAAAAAH so of course this is highly iffy because no serious marine army with a land raider isn't going to have a Librarian sitting inside his metal box of 'screw you Tyranids' so he's going to mess with your psyker abilities and you can't defend against him and welcome to Tyranids enjoy your stay. The more subtle aspect is putting them in a spore and dropping them right in the other guy's face. Now at this point you're thinking 'But SumYungGui, they're toughness 4 and will get instant killed by anything str 8+ in the opponent's army!' You know that, your opponent knows that, your opponent's uncle's dog knows that, everyone does. It's the way of the world. Again, welcome to Tyranids. The subtle part of this trick is going back to that invul save. With the zoey up in the other guy's face he has to kill it NOW NOW NOW OH GOD BUGS IN MY HAIR AAAAAAH. Every Str 8+ shot that bounces off your invul save is something not chipping away at your monstrous creatures and this is pretty much the only real invul save you're going to get. This is not the half-baked internet debate fall back 'well you're wrong because target saturation neener neener!', this is effective target saturation and your opponent must make that choice. Whatever he chooses, react accordingly.

This must all be taken in light of the rest of your army however. If you're running a generally low T6/MC-count army with gigantic body count on the field your zoey is the only target for that Str 8 stuff. Bad juju. If you're doing nothing but walking and not outflanking/reserving/deep striking/sporing anything in on the field then it's also bad juju. A walking zoey is one that gets torrented down by mid-strength masses of fire and is not sucking up Str 8+ stuff.

That was a lot of words but hopefully it helped, or at least helps when boiled down to a few words; "It's all about how the rest of your army works".

Ok I agree with your strength 8+ saturation I try to run nidzila with a screen I'm thinking about switching from tervagon as an hq to 2 primes with boneswords and runing warriors with bone swords and guns idk try taking out the trygon prime to do it we'll see tournament this weekend I guess I'll stick with Tau till I get my list the way I want it lol

The fun thng is taking an entire army of large bases. Not a single 20x20 base.

In the past, people might have soiled themselves. There are wayyyyy too many missiles and meltaguns these days.

The other way to tackle Zoanthropes is to send a cheap squad into melee with them. It stops them shooting and they are pretty crappy in melee so it probably drags on and ends with they losing.

Hadn't mentioned that, but yeah zoeys are crap in melee. You should have some gaunts/gants or something nearby to scrape off any light infantry that tries to tarpit them on the cheap. Force your opponent to throw the bit hitters with power weapons and stuff at your zoeys at the least so they can again bounce stuff off their invul save.

Oscarius wrote:Oh god...American, yes? *shakes head*

9 hive guards is decent to use. Many lists do it.
No to the rest. The Prime only gives his bonus to warriors, Swarmy/Hive Tyrant can't join a fex or trygon, fleet isn't given to anyone.

I think Oscarius is just having a joke based on the steriotype european impresion of an american.

Has anyone mentioned that zoeys are total piles of steaming ineffectual lose?
Only reason I'd take em is for a landraider, and only then if I'm willing to trade 2 KP (Zs and Spore) for 1, maybe, on the LR.

You need something to take out a landraider. If you have nothing on the list except hive guard, not only is it extremely difficult to kill, your opponent will be especially bold with it.

Massive. Creatures. Tyranids have a few.
2d6 + str armor pen. Trygon with adrenals pens on average with every attack, with rerolls to hit.

AND once its done wrecking a LR? Its still 30 points ahead of the spread.
TH/SS terminators inside will kill it next turn, no questions asked. Just as they would kill the Zoans and spore.
210 lost for a Trygon with adrenals. 240 lost for 3 zoans and a spore. 1KP for Mr Trygon, 2 for the other, really pathertic now option I won't even name.

And that doesn't even take into account that when the terminators charge, the trygon might even take two or three out with him. Zoans and the spore? Yeah, maybe one if its really unlucky.

Zoanthropes = fail, almost every time. Walking, they are a t4 juicy target with basically a MEQ save.

I disagree that Zoan. are piles of Loose. Sure they are week in melee. But still they destroy or immobilize an unhooded Landraider about 90% or the time and a hooded raider better than 50% of the time (calculated for a unit of three).
But there can be no doubt that Hivegaurd are awsome. The only thing that they really have trouble with is dealing with AV14, though recent problems with a dreadnaught have led me to reconsider .... Either way, spamming them in a list works, so does takign two units of HG and one unit of Zoan.

Cant Tyranoffexes get some kind of str 10 gun? (unfamiliar with the nid codex)

Oscarius wrote:Oh god...American, yes? *shakes head*

Not cool.

Doomthumbs wrote:Hold on, I've got one:
To svensker snakket sammen.
Den ene sa til den andre: "Jag är inteligent."
"Inte jag heller", svarte den andre.

Neither is this. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Doomthumbs wrote:
But yeah, Hive guard are great. There is another swede who models them very well from warrior bodies.
And that guy has my respect, as he refrains from ethnic slurs.

Pictures? Does the guy have a tutorial? I just got handed a 1000 point Genestealer army and I was looking to expand-tutorials on this would be awesome

Mannahnin wrote:

Oscarius wrote:Oh god...American, yes? *shakes head*

Not cool.

I agree fully.

Mannahnin wrote:

Doomthumbs wrote:Hold on, I've got one:
To svensker snakket sammen.
Den ene sa til den andre: "Jag är inteligent."
"Inte jag heller", svarte den andre.

Neither is this. Two wrongs don't make a right.

To be honest it nearly is.
I can't even drink, so I can't exactly blame drunk posting, only "Oscar-is-stupid" posting...