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i'm about to start a new army and the ones i am considering is either DoC or Tomb Kings.

I like the unstable (daemon/undead) special rules and LOVE the fluff of both armies.

The Tomb Kings is because i happen to be a huge fan of ancient Egyptian culture and i like undeads.

When it comes to the Daemons they are strong and i like tzentch... ALOT=P I'm also mostly facing WoC and Dwarfs and my OnG is having a hard time with the WoC army so i thought one of the other 2 armies might work a little bit better

So Dakkaites i have turned my last hope towards you to decide whether i'm gonna be a daemon herald or a Tomb Prince

//Gar'Ang Irontooth of the BlackAxe tribe

Orcs have plenty of options for warriors of chaos, and have a new book on the way as well. If you're having trouble, maybe ask for help.

If you want another army, it's a toss up.
Tomb kings are getting a new book in may, which will include new units. I think it's a good time to start and slow build an army, and a bad time to finish one.
Daemons are solid and likely won't see any changes for a very long time. Sadly, if you stick to just one god, you have very little variety in the army, which can be very dull.

-Matt

my plan for the Daemons would be Khorne and Tzeentch.
The reason i was starting to doubt the Daemons was in fact the incoming release of the new Tomb king book because my first plan of all was Tomb Kings.

Oh and BTW i'm gonna slow build an army because of lack of money

-Gar'Ang

Gar'Ang wrote:
Oh and BTW i'm gonna slow build an army because of lack of money

In that case I'd suggest against Daemons, the lack of a battalion box is a big deal. The Tomb King battalion box is just OK, and you have to really like cavalry.

I say Tomb Kings as the army book is incoming very soon and you'll be able to slowly build as the new units are released.

Thank you guys =D my decision just switched from 75/25 in favour of daemons to 40/60 in favour of TK=P

Gar'Ang wrote:Thank you guys =D my decision just switched from 75/25 in favour of daemons to 40/60 in favour of TK=P

Here's a nasty piece of logic to seal the deal.

If you go with Tomb Kings, you will be building an army as the army book is released, you won't have to worry about any restructuring to the army for many years. The daemon army is already a couple of years old which means you'll be looking at a new army book and changing out part of it at a much sooner juncture...

Tomb Kings will also have been written with the current 8th ed rules in mind...

Sold yet?

My wife just started Daemons. So I hope I can help. Your shopping list for a short term game say 1k should look something like this:

30 Bloodletters
20 Pink Horrors
3 Flamers
1 Model to use as a Herald of Tzeentch
1 Model to use as a Herald of Khorne

Put the HoT in with the Pink Horrors and give him Master of Sorcery with the Lore of Life, the Horrors will act as a bunker giving "look out sir" rolls and the 4+ ward save. Pink Horrors can cast some basic spells too in the Lord of Tzeentch, no need for command options on the pink horror, keep them without to free up some points. On your bloodletters go with full command and horde them out so all 3 ranks can attack, stick the HoK in with them for the Hatred. Use the Lore of Life to buff the Bloodletters and heal the units, ever try to beat down a bloodletter unit with a WS of 5 and Tougness of 7 and a 5+ ward save??? Flamers are awesome, very tough to kill in combat and great shooting, stick them on a flank to deal with fast cav or run them up to take out some war machines.

Total cost would be around $180 from GW maybe 20% less if you use online discounters and eBay, you can use Skulltaker as your Herald of Khorne and I personally like the Warriors of Chaos Champion of Tzeentch or Sorceror for the Herald of Tzeentch. To expand from here I would add another unit about the same size of Bloodletters and maybe increase them to 40 strong, also more Flamers, 2 units of 5-6 are nice. More Horrors would give you access to more spells and create a larger bunker, a 2nd Herald of Tzeentch is cool too with Master of Sorcery again for access to another useful lore to compliment your army like Shadow, Death or Light. If you want to expand to Slannesh or Nurgle you can do that too though Bloodletters will generally out perform them, there is some nifty tools and spells you can access from the Heralds of those 2 as well. Problem with plague bearers is they are metal and more expensive, if your conversion skills are good you could try this: http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=8867

Is $180 expensive? Yeah but I would point out if new models come out for TK the new 10 model box of Savage Orcs are almost $5 more then the 10 model box of Daemons. Current rumors I am seeing are that they aren't going to have new TK skeleton models, which is better IMO, I like the current look of them.

Personally I'm partial to TK though, but that is because my other 2 armies are Ogres and Dwarfs and Tk with it's magic and shooty heavy design is a change of pace.

I said Daemons were more expensive, but I didn't mean on a model by model or box set by box set basis. What I meant is (and I think I said too) is the battalion boxes are your best opportunity for savings, and Chaos Daemons for whatever reason are the only army that don't have one.

However, now that I think about it more, I'm not so sure. What I failed to consider is how many points are wrapped up into their greater daemons, a single model. Maybe that's a cost equaliser. Does anyone know? I'd be quite interested in how they compare.

Also, isn't there a rumor that Warrior of Chaos, Daemons of Chaos, and Beastment (of Chaos) are getting combined into one force?

450 Nekkid for a Greater Deamon, up to 100 more pts in items as well and all 4 are very viable options competitively. Plus with daemons you'll have a 40k army as well. I don't know how much a battatlion box really gets you in savings.

A TK Battalion as presented on the box here:

with full command in each of the 4 units is around 650pts

2 boxes of Pink Horrors and 2 Boxes of Bloodletters for about the same cost, made as 2 units with command and each with a daemonic banner or icon in each would be around 575pts.

And for TK currently I don't see many Chariots or Cavalry in army lists, this is mostly because of the rules for both of those things in 8th edition. Battalions are nice but with the exception of maybe 2-3 armies most have units you don't need many of or that you don't need at all. I recently bought 3 dwarf battatlions and mostly for the Organ Gun/Cannon and Warriors, now I'm maxed on my war machines and don't really see myself ever using the 48 Quarrellers or Thunderers that came with the battalions.

Really play with whatever you want. Either way you probably have narrowed it down to the 2 most easy army to paint, and after trying to paint the eyes of my dwarfs last night, I hate you for that.

Either way you probably have narrowed it down to the 2 most easy army to paint, and after trying to paint the eyes of my dwarfs last night, I hate you for that.

I chose the 2 armies i found most awesome and i really enjoyed the fluff not because of the painting level. Be careful what you say...

Gar'Ang wrote:

Either way you probably have narrowed it down to the 2 most easy army to paint, and after trying to paint the eyes of my dwarfs last night, I hate you for that.

I chose the 2 armies i found most awesome and i really enjoyed the fluff not because of the painting level. Be careful what you say...

Wow really? Be careful what I say? I was just being ironic, joking around, never mind the 2 long posts I made to help you out. The 30-45 minutes of research and typing I did. Good luck on your new army.

Gar'Ang wrote:I chose the 2 armies i found most awesome and i really enjoyed the fluff not because of the painting level. Be careful what you say...

Alright, we're going to need you to put down the keyboard and step away from the Mt. Dew...

I'm sorry... i kinda got offended when you said you hated me. i take a LOT of things serious =/ I SHOULD be the one to be more careful next time=P i really appreciate that you guys actually bother to help me decide I'm leaning more and more towards TK since i've also been reading the TK rumors post =D mummies sound awesome.

Oh and BTW what is Mountain Dew?

Is really daemons and TK the easiest armies to paint =O

No problem. I gotta remember there is a difference in how someone may interpret something this California Boy says in New York let alone 1/2 way around the world. Just let us know if you need any more advice.

i am pretty certain its gonna be TK by now so... any list building advice =D? besides from the Battalion box (in SEK the battalion is 749 and seperate all boxes are chariots 269, cav 269, 32 skellies 269x2 total 1076SEK) =P

SEK=Swedish Kronor

I dislike the bands you like. What's your favourite colour? Mine is the opposite of that. Booyah.