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2011/02/17 20:24:04
Subject: Rhinox Cav in 8th.
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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I know that the rules for fielding them are 100% unofficial, but I have seen several mentions of them indicating that a fair amount of people play them, even in tournaments. This question is for those people: How does your group rule on the following things:
Are they worth their points (somewhere around 500 with Mus, Standard, bull rhinoxen no magical standard)?
Do you have to have a Thunderlord before you upgrade the Rhinoxen to bulls, or does the rule simply mean that if you DO have a TLord, you must upgrade his first? (I find the points ogres pay for unit champions to be utterly overcosted. "HOW much for one more attack? Never.")
Are they considered Monstrous Cavalry?
Do they count as Special or Rare?
Are there any rules conflicts/considerations that I've missed that you or your group has discovered and come to a reasonable consensus on?
EDIT: Should probably be in YMDC. Will have a Mod move.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/02/17 21:02:49
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2011/02/17 21:13:06
Subject: Re:Rhinox Cav in 8th.
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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My group, and every group i have played with, is totally fine with Rhinox Riders.
they see it like this. Ogres are garunteed to be getting Rhinox added to the army book when it comes out and they see no point in delaying the inevitable.
Rhinox riders are fairly costed for what you get. they are just right as far as point go.
as to equipping them:
ALWAYS take bull rhinox. our entire army causes fear, lets get some Terror into the mix. the Stat increase is good too.
the only weapon upgrade that is actually usable is the Ironfist as 2 handweapons can't be used on a mount.
always get Heavy Armor too. that gives the riders a 3+ armor save when combined with the Rhinox's hide. an Ironfist makes it a 2+ in CC.
Bellowers are mandatory. just like every other ogre unit.
the Champion isn't so hot, just like other ogre units.
the Banner bearer is cool for getting another magic banner in the army, but the problem is that Banner Bearers die if a unit flees and thats 150+ points down the tubes.
Rhinox Riders are a Rare choice.
it's best to classify them as Monsterous Cavelry(and so they get Stomp) because otherwise they would be the only unit of Monsters in the game.
the Stat line can cause problems, but we just play it as we see it. any Stats that are combined are considered to be both Ogre and Rhinox and because of the Ogre both can benifit from Gutmagic buffs that effect combined stats.
if the unit is buffed with Toothcracker, as they have combined Toughness, they get the +1T.
if they are buffed by Bullgorger, as they have seperate Str, only the Ogre gets his Str increased.
if they are buffed by Trollguts, as they have combined wounds, they get the Regen.
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2011/02/17 21:54:52
Subject: Re:Rhinox Cav in 8th.
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Grey Templar wrote:
ALWAYS take bull rhinox. our entire army causes fear, lets get some Terror into the mix. the Stat increase is good too.
Thanks for the reply. In regards to the quoted statement:
Lordhat wrote:Do you have to have a Thunderlord before you upgrade the Rhinoxen to bulls, or does the rule simply mean that if you DO have a TLord, you must upgrade his first?
Here's the rule in question for the YMDC crowd to help me out:
White Dwarf Rhinox Cavalry article wrote: •Any Rhinox in the unit may be upgraded to a Bull Rhinox
at +45 pts, however a Thunderlord’s Rhinox must be
upgraded first.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2011/02/17 22:31:05
Subject: Rhinox Cav in 8th.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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If you have a thunderlord, he must have a Bull before any other one in the unit. That's all that line means.
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2011/02/17 22:51:53
Subject: Rhinox Cav in 8th.
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That's what I figured. Thanks.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2011/02/17 22:56:02
Subject: Rhinox Cav in 8th.
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Killer Klaivex
Oceanside, CA
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I fought against them, and here's how we did it.
1) They are affected by gut magic as normal, except for +1 Strength, which only affects the rider.
2) They are rare.
3) They are Monstrous Cav, because if classed as a monster gaining thunder stomp, they would be horribly under-priced. (compare to say, a 235 point steggadon).
Also, the combined profile makes sense with monstrous Cav.
If a hero on a pegasus gains regenerate, the whole model would; which matches how rhinox worked in 7th.
Now; all that being said, I think the Rhinox might be over-priced for what you get. At the cost for a fully loaded unit, you'd be better off running ~10 iron guts.
Once you compare the damage output of Rhinox to 2 ranks of iron guts, or 3 ranks of bulls, you'll see that they are in the right ball park power to point wise.
-Matt
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