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I did a search on the forums and couldn't find anything. A friend recently started playing Necron, and we were wondering if they get a will be back roll after being cut down by sweeping advance?

The search is notoriously bad... but I think we have Necrons and Sweeping Advance on the first page. ;-)

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/347357.page

yeah as the post says.

the rule with sweeping advance says that the necrons are removed from play. which means they didn't take wounds to get knocked down. its the same as if a wolf priest hits you with JOTWW. you cant get a WBB since it says remove from play not wound taken sadly.

Actually they do get WBB from JoTWW, it's in the errata. But he is correct, and I was correct in my original argument with said friend, I just needed some other references. Thanks for the help.

Yeah just checked the GW erratta there is no entry concerning JOTWW
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1490294a_FAQ_Necrons_2009.pdf

unless they put out a new one but i doubt it since this is the official GW one.


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here is a copy of the erratta since the GW website sucks for navigating if you have any other rules needed to clarify.

I think it's in the SW errata under JOTWW, but I could be wrong...

There's nothing in the Space Wolf FAQ about JotWW and WBB. The only relevant question is about cover saves, which aren't allowed because the power doesn't cause wounds - I would imagine the same logic extends to WBB.

There is a bit about Celestine and WBB and other such abilities and Last Laugh, which also has the 'remove from play' language and against which WBB etc. ARE used. You might be thinking of that.

Either way we have two conflicting rulings which seem to be completely arbitrary - you can't take a cover save because no wounds are caused (suggesting WBB can't be used) but you can WBB from Last Laugh (suggesting it can).

You dont need to cause wounds to invoke WBB; WBB is invoked when you are "removed as a casualy"

Last Laugh removes as a casualty
JotWW removes from play

Good catch - quite a fine distinction since Last Laugh says 'removed from play as a casualty' but I'm willing to believe it.

however, the WBB rules say that SA doesn't allow it, IIRC.

GT _ nope, it doesnt

However, the 4th ed SA used WBB as an EXAMPLE of a rule tha tcannot save the unit. When they created 5th ed ALL they did was remove the example - it is word for word identical in the actual rule to 4th ed

Which is why it is *hilarious* when people tried to claim you got WBB from SA in 5th ed, because SA was "different to 4th ed SA"