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So I managed to trade for a bloodthirster and a keeper of seekers but there on square bases. I just play at my friends we dont care but my question is as I want to start playing at tournaments soon is this a problem? The reason I ask is because some of the older models didnt have round bases ie older bikes and old dreadnoughts.

Most tournaments won't have a problem with it, as many of the people that would utilize a greater daemon use it for more than one game (meaning fantasy and 40k). Since it technically DOES come with a square base, you can easily make the arguement that it is mounted on a base it came with. In the end however, it comes down to the TO, just make sure before hand.

Most folks wont have a problem, the corners on the base means it's easier to hit the daemons with blast/flame templates so it's technically playing to your own disadvantage (albeit 0.000001% so, in practice). As stated above, they came with square bases so they are RAW legal, if that's what you're worried about.

I want to know, If I become "fantasy curious" will round based Daemons be allowed?

Thanks for the help everyone figured it wouldn't matter but had to ask the more experienced.
As to round in fantasy I have seen movement trays designed to fit round bases.

gregor_xenos wrote:I want to know, If I become "fantasy curious" will round based Daemons be allowed?

I've seen movement trays online that you can buy that have circles for you to place them in. Google it sometime.

The problem with those is that they almost always space the models out more than usual (and some of the 40K bases are significantly larger than the square bases).

Incorrect basing has a much bigger effect on the game in WHFB than in 40K.

Additionally regiment bases dont work for single Monsters, which greater daemons are - you would have HGE issues with a round base, as your LS for charging is based on corner-corner of a square base, very difficult to use a round base for this!

There are cheap round base movement trays for models, meaning anyone who want's to use demons in both games can use circle bases. You have to buy movement trays anyway, so there shouldn't be an issue.

Either way, you can use the base the model came with, however many players would be much more comfortable with you using circle bases in 40k.

Square bases hurt you a little in 40k because it is easier to get more with a template. Other then that they effect nothing in game play unless you cheat. This basically means don't move your model on a square base then pivot them. I use mine in WFB and 40k so all mine are on square bases. In a tournament playing someone I don't know I always lay my tape down then move my daemon that way even if I pivot something they can see I did not exceed my movement. I have one of those GF9 templates that I use for 6" movements so it is quick and easy, and very easy for your opponent to see.

Being a guy who's got daemons for both systems, and has used the wrong bases for a given game in the past, I've had a couple of long threads about it. Short version:

It is best to use the right bases for the right game. Using the square bases in 40k overall creates some advantages for the Daemon player and has the potential to create a few awkward situations. The template hits thing is wrong- mathematically square bases are wider across at the diagonal points, so if you're spacing out to reduce template/blast hits, square bases actually help reduce the hits you take. The best solution is generally to use the round bases, but there are a couple of complications:

1. As noted, the movement trays for using round bases in WH a few companies sell have the problem of adding extra space between the models to hold them more securely. This has the effect of widening the unit inappropriately. You're actually better off using a regular tray so that the bases touch and are spaced properly. Magnetizing the bases and tray is the BEST solution, and holds them nice and secure.

2. As noted, Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes are individual models in WH, and need the square bases in that game for proper judging of LOS, flanking, etc.

3. GDs and Bloodcrushers are actually on different diameter bases in the two systems. 50mm square in WH, and 60mm round in 40k. The BEST solution for GDs is really to pin or magnetize them to their bases and make the bases swappable. With bloodcrushers the same, or just use them in 40k; where they're an awesome unit. They're not all that good or popular in WH.

In practice, a lot of players use square bases in 40k and are conscientious about not taking undue advantage (though it's difficult not to with an entire Daemon army), and very few players will ever object. IME as a chaos player with daemons, I eventually decided I did not like using the square bases in 40k, and rebased all the daemon models I wished to use in this system.

In regards to the question about older models and changing basing standards, IME most players are pretty accepting, but at competitive tournaments a dreadnought will be expeced to be on a base of some kind (even if it didn't come with one) and many players are happier to see dreads, daemons, and bikes on current bases, even if they will accept and not complain about square ones.