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This is sort of a rant/question, so I don't know where else to put this.

Tonight I got my necron ass kicked by a Salamanders Vulcan list totalling an impressive FIVE dreanoughts. Despite all the gauss and teleportation trickery I can bring to the table, it still didn't stop me getting steamrolled. Then I got my face kicked in by Blood Angels packing sanguinary guard and Blood-Talon Weilding dreadnoughts. Again, despite my best efforts to outmanouvre and evade attacks, it just doesnt seem to matter. Tpyically I use 2 monoliths, destroyers, immortals and the minimum number of warriors.

Now normally I rotate my three armies (Daemons, Templars and Necrons), and this latest necron defeat got me reflecting. The last few times I used my Daemons, it really was very hit and miss (which was to be expected I guess based on the nature of that army), with alternating crushing victories and defeats . Typically in my daemon lists, I run an undivided list, with 2 soul grinders, the masque, Skulltaker, and a mix of lesser daemons (at least one unit each of seekers, bloodletters, horros + plague bearers). Flamers and Juggernauts are also common in my lists.

The only army I seem to have consistent success with is my Black Templars - and this has only gone up with the new FAQ. Give me any Templar list, and i'd be confident of curbstomping my opponent with it. But then I came to a thought - am I a bad player because I only seem to do well with space marines? I don't really want to fall back on the excuses that "the codexes are too old", but maybe it has come to that - are Daemons and Necrons viable against these new "superlists"? Or am I just utilising things incorrectly, or making the wrong army choice selections with my Xenos?

Don't get me wrong, I CAN win with my other armies - I just can't seem to put a string of wins together like I can with my Templars.

Has anyone else felt like this at all? Sorry for the general rant!

At the moment Necrons are considered by a lot of people to be the worst performing army at the moment. There are a few power builds, but they mostly cannot deal with the amount of tanks that are on 5th edition tables. Sorry, but the book is just outdated...

You hit the nail on the head with Demons. they are unpredictable, and also lack the anti tank power that a lot of other lists have. They do have some neat tricks and a good player with a good list can surprise an enemy to victory, but a few bad scatter rolls and your army is gone....

BT Have a few things that are VERY well priced for 5th edition after the FAQ. There are a few things that are WAY too expensive for 5th edition as well.


Sorry, but not all Codii were made equal.

Ever since the 5th edition rolled around I have yet to see a single Necron army win, at least on it's own (I have lost to one before, however I was being double teamed in a three for all).

Ya, I have the same problem with Necrons. LOVE EM to death, but my games have become "How many turns can I last this game before phase out".

I cannot wait for a codex update. Cannot wait.

I have lost to Necrons all of one time. I'm not trying to brag or come off as a great gamer or anything; I'm pretty average overall. Necrons just have an incredibly hard time competing, even at the friendly level. There's not a whole lot you can do except tough it out or bench them until a new codex rolls along.

Agreed. You seem to have a pretty good Necron list too. Monster Rain can help you with any Necrons advice, but as has been said, they are easily the weakest army in 40K at the mo (IMHO) so I really wouldn't blame you for losing with them.

As you noticed, Daemons are - due to their nature - very hit or miss. I wouldn't blame yourself for losing with them either, they're found to not be the most forgiving army, but can nonetheless be put to very good use (ask Yermon). You may consider adding Fiends and/or Blood Crushers to your army too as they're considered some of their best units.

Daemons aren't too old at all, in fact, they were largely designed for fifth edition and can still be used very well competitively. However, they do have limited 'great' units due to the mechanised nature and as you noticed, they're usually neither forgiving nor reliable. As I said, Yermon (and maybe Shep?) appear to be good people to ask for advice on this topic.

Necrons are on the other hand simply to old to have a good chance IMHO. Like SRM suggested, I'd advise putting the 'crons on the backburner and focussing on some other armies, that aren't necessarily MEQ's, such as fleshing out your Daemons or Templars, or even trying something such as Tyranids...

I really wouldn't blame yourself man, it's understandable giving the age of the Necron Codex and the nature of the Daemon Codex.

Last time I saw a Necron army win was against my old SoB army and made bad decisions and had some terrible rolls.

Necrons are just weak right now.

I feel like this, but I get my ass kicked with Marines, too (well, that's all I have).

Both times I've played Eldar they nearly tabled me.

Necrons are pretty weak. Doesn't help that their best units (wraiths and destroyers) are really expensive.

Daemons are simply un-reliable. Which wave you get and how they weather the first turn of shooting sets up the rest of the game.

When you're army is
(1)Bad at antitank
(2)Bad at close combat
(3)From an outdated codex

That's basically 3 massive handicaps and not a recipe for regular success. I don't think it's you, rant justified IMO!

I own a 3 monolith Nightbringer Necron army too, and it hasn't been on the table since I read the 5th edition rules for WHFB style melee results.

Toss in the nightbringer if you haven't, otherwise you don't really have much hope.

I mean there are some tricks you can pull, but you need the models, and some are far too expensive.

In the end, trying to play against the most up to date codexes with their stupid internet builds just isn't the best way to play nercons.