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I've heard plenty of times that Space Wolves and Blood Angels codices are most powerful marine codices out there. So I was wondering which one is considered being the better one.
Personally I'd say Blood Angels, I have almost no table-experience with the wolves but so far only "cheesy" thing I've seen in wolf codex is Long fangs and JotWW. That's not bad compared to what BA has.
What says Dakka?

Space wolves hands down

sorry dude, blud angels. PNP, Mephistifail, and Stormravens

Hmm its pretty close but i think wolves just neck it, there really are no bad choices in that list, Dont get me wrong the BA list is strong but I think its pretty balanced, Everyone screams Meph but Abaddon or typhus would eat him for brekkie, plus he's not an Independant character so can be sniped if the terrain isnt in your favour.

The BA cheesiest build is stronger than the SW cheesiest build but SW can have more semi-cheese builds than the BA can. It's kind of a draw...

*personally*? I'd say Space Wolves, primarily due to being super cheap in terms of points. BA's have some very powerful stuff, but I'd take Grey Hunters and Long Fangs over almost all of the BA book.

Even if BA's can pull off a singular most powerful list, I'd expect any average SW list to be more powerful than any average BA list.

Space Wolves.


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j_p_chess wrote:sorry dude, blud angels. PNP, Mephistifail, and Stormravens

Storm Ravens are not a competitive choice. They are a fun unit, but far too unreliable for the points.

bloodangels they are bassically saying F&$@ you to every other chapter


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bloodjunkey wrote:bloodangels they are bassically saying F&$@ you to every other chapter

and they have stormravens and micfisty

purplefood wrote:The BA cheesiest build is stronger than the SW cheesiest build but SW can have more semi-cheese builds than the BA can. It's kind of a draw...

This is a pretty accurate description. I don't know how much cheesier the super cheesy BA build is over the SW one, but it's close.

I really like the BA razor spam mech build over the SW one.

Both codices have multiple valid lists, but the puppies lists are so varied it's astonishing.

For me it really comes down to razorback spam versus FNP spam...but ultimately FNP is harder to deal with en masse

I think razorback spam is actually the strongest build BA can offer. There's simply too many things that can trump FNP spam, including the Space Wolf gunline, to make me truly fear it.

BA razors plus Preds/Vinds plus Baals is one freaking over the top mech wall.

WS4 jump packers, even with furious charge, even with FNP, simply doesn't fuss me as much.

Of course my primary army is Deathwing, so there isn't a single thing in my list that doesn't ignore FNP except frag rockets and the odd storm bolter on a chainfist model.

Of course my primary army is Deathwing, so there isn't a single thing in my list that doesn't ignore FNP except frag rockets and the odd storm bolter on a chainfist model.

Well I play pure ravenwing so I can easily deal with lots of light armour through assault cannon and melta spam but not much to effectively deal with FNP

C'mon, I nearly beat Space wolves and I am pretty bad at the game (well, at the people at my venue) plus the Blood Angels have lots of extra fluff like Mr. Phiston sorry, Mephiston

Volkov wrote:Well I play pure ravenwing so I can easily deal with lots of light armour through assault cannon and melta spam but not much to effectively deal with FNP

That's more or less my point, though. Mass FNP spammed assault troops are the new Land Raider; it's the big rock that can utterly roll over lists that aren't prepared.

For lists that are prepared, however, including many of the competitive SW lists, it's a relatively straightforward game. Heck, dual lash chaos and max oblit plus fisted plague marine spam are 70% of the way to being a hard counter. I simply don't think it should be feared.

So far the votes are surpridingly even (61/39)
I kinda expected that BA would be on winning side tho

I would say SW would be on top, but they're both very strong codexes (codexii? codicii?).

The FNP thing is counterable relatively easily, for example, SW LF ML Spam (That's a lot of abbreviations) will lay down the pain on BA.

I have to say space wovles but the blood angels do have there 3 blood raven army.

Gavo wrote:I would say SW would be on top, but they're both very strong codexes (codexii? codicii?).

Codices

I think SW is slightly better due to having more possible builds.

purplefood wrote:The BA cheesiest build is stronger than the SW cheesiest build but SW can have more semi-cheese builds than the BA can. It's kind of a draw...

what do you think is the cheesiest build for BA and SW?

I'd say it's 6 preds with LFs and Libby support (the cheesiest build possible). You can even throw Meph into it as a nut-kicking counterassault unit.

Team Jacob.

They are so different and both so wrong IMO (I am a vanilla loyalist). I have to say Space wolves is more powerful, even if BA are the ones that I hate even more.

SW: everything slightly more powerful and slightly cheaper = better overall. Njal's storm power is ludicrous. TWC wound allocation+stormshield crap and LongFangs Missile spam equally ludicrous. GH razorspam possibility ludicrous. GH compared to any other troop choice, and cheaper, and melta-happy... just fething stupid designer level of good. In a game where troops are the key, GH have any other army beat to gak and they are cheaper. The option to add a wolfguard, instead of the Auto-Sarge points boost vanilla is stuck with, the bonus abilities and extra ccw. Just smacks of favoritism and a designer who should be slapped.

BA Statwise, at a glance, they are vanilla marines. FOC and optionwise, they are just BETTER. SM get a thundercannon and Legion of the Damned... BA get flying landraiders and baal preds for emperor's sake! It's hardly an even tradeoff. But: all of their cool toys are also priced higher. Mephiston may be hardcore, but he also costs an awful lot. Njal on the other hand, is about the same price as most other mega-psykers in other books, but he is far better than any of them.

BA are stupid powerful because of a very fluid FOC and a lot of great unit options, but still, SW, are overpowerful because of a shortsighted idiot making the points costs without thinking. BA are not powerful because of points-cost carelessness by the designer, they are powerful because they are very suited to optimizing a great army build. SW are powerful because they just do everything well for less points.

SW. They are a big pile of ridiculous.

I just hate Space Wolves so I voted for blood angels.

I'll go with space wolves because they have Grey Hunters, possibly the best troop choice in the game.

SW, with their "I get everything" Character and Troops
and Missile LF, and JOTTW, at least Blood lance is polite enough to be a "normal" shooting attack

BA Captain didn't even have special weapons and Artificier armor. SW got Wolves,Frostweapon, and other gakload of options on their character

I'm going blood angels. I have both codexes, and they are both very good. The only reason I'm not choosing wolves is cos I'm primarily a dark angels player!!

Also, Flying Refrigerators.

I don't think the "flying refrigerator" is cheesy at all considering it costs so freaking much and is armor 12. When you compare it to a valkyrie at least. But I do still think that the Blood Angels codex is slightly better. However some space wolves stuff I think that is better than blood angels stuff is :
1. Counter Attack 2. Long Freaking fangs

However, I love all the fast tanks and tons of dreadnoughts. A big sad thing about the blood angels codex is freaking dante doesn't have eternal warrior. And no artificer armor. But they do get sweet stuff too. I think Blood Angels might be slightly better.

Then again... maybe I just think that because I play blood angels and I've beat space wolves a lot.... but then the guy I played kinda is lousy... and I guess I've beat other blood angels armies.... so..... I...dunno...