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**SalamanderMarine**

I will keep it simple is it worth buying the Necron battleforce and if so what elce would be good to buy besides the codex as I am newly starting necrons

**Walrus**

Going to need a lot of destroyers. Couple spiders couldnt hurt either.

**MechaEmperor7000**

The Cron Battle Force is the best value of any of the battle forces, as everything inside is pretty much manditory for your army. You will need a lord, preferably the one on foot with a Res Orb. The destroyer lord is tempting, but a footslogger Res Lord will give durability to your troops.

For heavy support, either Heavy Destroyers (at least three) and/or a Monolith. Immortals are also good investments. Avoid Flayed ones and Pariahs, as the former doesnt do much while the latter doesnt contribute to your necron count and die relatively easily for the points you pay.

**Scarey Nerd**

If I were you, I'd wait until the new codex comes out... If they change loads of the models and release new ones, it might be more worth your while waiting to see what kind of force you'd want to build in the new codex.

**SalamanderMarine**

any ideas when the next codex will come out?

**MechaEmperor7000**

Rumors has it around Halloween to christmas time.

However the Battle Force is still a good buy, as it's higly unlikely that Necron Warriors will become obsolete. Destroyers too, as both of these form basically the core of the necron forces right now.

**Scarey Nerd**

If only I did :(

However, the reason I suggested it was that I assume (I guess assume can make an a** out of you and me) that the Necron Codex is next. If it is DA or BT, I'm going to stop playing warhammer in protest, so, fingers crossed

**MechaEmperor7000**

Rumors are pretty strong, and currently the only other codex to even have any indication is the SoB (I think I heard one of the sculptors commenting about how they're still fumbling with the plastic SoBs).

**Avatar 720**

Judging by the contents of the box, i'd say it'd be worth the investment anyway. I'm struggling to think of any scenario that wouldn't warrant the use of warriors, even when their codex is updated, similarly so with Destroyers.

The fact it's all multi-part plastic and good quality (albeit a little static pose-wise) already also means that the models aren't likely to be changed any time soon; the models I can see being re-done are the ones that aren't included in the current battleforce (Immortals, Flayed Ones and Pariahs mainly, although it's possible we could see a fully plastic destroyer/heavy destroyer kit, a plastic Tomb Spyder and possibly a plastic Necron Lord set with options for a destroyer lord etc.)

Since a new codex has yet to be announced for Necrons, you should be pretty safe buying the current battleforce and being able to build a force before an update, but I wouldn't dive into Immortals/Flayed Ones/Pariahs until the next codex/they recieve new models; they're not the most effective units, and since they're metal they cost a lot in cash as well as points.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Rumors has it that Immortals and Tomb Spyders are the ones getting redone in plastic. Warriors and Destroyers, if any mods are made, probably will be akin to the CSM ones: variant pieces and standardized to 10 per sprue for Warriors, and 3 per sprue for Destroyers.

Of the contents of the BF, the Destroyers might recieve mods as above and probably with options to build Heavy Destroyers, as GW is actively phasing out combination metal-plastic sets.

**Scarey Nerd**

As I recall, Stickmonkey's rumour was that all models that use the Immortal chasis are being redone, which means Immortals, Lords, Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers.

However, salt required, but.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Makes sense. As it stands the Destroyers themselves are horribly inefficient considering how much you pay for just one. HDs will definately get an update for having a combination of metal and plastic parts, a la the Raider and Ravager.

**Avatar 720**

Would the Lord Destroyer still be a metal-plastic combo? Or would GW aim to re-do that?

I can see it being argued either way; plastic means more people buy it because it's less fiddly, and a better pose or better use for it would keep demand up; however expensive HQs are usually the most tolerated next to Heavy Support, so I can see them keeping it metal/plastic.

**MechaEmperor7000**

The D-Lord is a complicated one, as it might require a set like the Terminator Chaos Lord. The Foot lord might remain metal like the Dark Eldar Archon, depending on how much options there are. If the normal Destroyer does change in overall design then the D-Lord will have to be converted into a plastic (or wholey metal) kit. It would be a sort of style backlash otherwise, especially since the D-Lord might end up being one of their most popular items (give or take, depends on the actual wargear, but the D-Lord is by far mine and my Necron friend's most favourite model).

**Kurgash**

I'd say if you are already in the army and need to flesh out your force *lol irony* then indeed it's worth the price as alone the 3 destroyers pay for the box set pretty much. I own about 4000pts of Necrons already and got a battle force just to help get more destroyers for a decent price.

**Dashofpepper**

OP:

First, I'd encourage you to wait until the new codex comes out before purchasing models. GW is a *huge* fan of nerfing what is popular now in favor of new units so that people will buy things.

Carnifexes were the staple of Nidzilla lists in their old codex, Carnifexes got nerfed in favor of other things.
Wych cults were the staple of Dark Eldar armies in the old codex....wyches got nerfed (along with their sexy leader Lelith).
Destroyers are a staple to most current Necron build - I'll put money on the fact that when the new codex comes out, destroyers are made unattractive compared to other options.

Second, Necrons are the toughest codex to make a competitive build with, and uncompetitive in many situations. I started Necrons because I was tired of people whining about my Orks and Dark Eldar (yes, the old Dark Eldar) being cheese and overpowered because they pretty much always win. Well, my Necrons are undefeated, and have a better win percentage than either of my competitive armies. But that's a fluke. I haven't taken them to a GT against any real competition.

If you're looking to start Necrons because you're tired of what you play, or you win all the time and want to have to struggle to win, continue. If you're choosing them because you think they look cool, but you're not ok with losing most of your games against good competition, this isn't the army for you....until the new codex comes out.

**Avatar 720**

First, I'd encourage you to wait until the new codex comes out before purchasing models. GW is a *huge* fan of nerfing what is popular now in favor of new units so that people will buy things.

Why would GW nerf Necron Warriors though? Considering they're the core of a Necron Army, both on the table and in fluff, it would be a very unwise decision on their part, which is why I believe the current battleforce is still a good buy.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Getting warriors alone, however, makes it alot cheaper than buying the Battleforce.

Personally I dont see that much of a nerf in Wyches. They recieved plasma grenades for free and gained a 4+ invul in close combat, with no increase in points, and Power from Pain. However any DE stuff is probably a moot point to compare since almost the entire range (bar three choices) got new models. The Fex though did indeed get nerfed to hell to make way for the new Trygon.

I doubt, though, that Destroyers will be nerfed, given that the rumors point to a new Destroyer model. Refrain from getting Heavy Destroyers though, as it seems likely they'll be made plastic (and therefore cheaper).

**Avatar 720**

Getting warriors alone, however, makes it alot cheaper than buying the Battleforce.

In actual fact, it doesn't. One Warrior box holds 12 warriors, and the Battleforce holds 28, so you'd need 3 boxes of warriors unless you wanted to find 4 more somewhere, which means you're paying £10.25 more.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Here a box of warriors comes to 42 canadian (before taxes and other such things).

Each warrior, thus, costs 3.50 dollars.

28 warriors costs 98, which is 10 bucks cheaper than buying the battle force.

granted you do need to get a third box to actually get 28 warriors, but in that case you're getting another 8, so it's not like you're paying more for the same items. The Battle force is better value Overall, there's no arguing that, but if you only need a specific component in it, it's usually much better to buy said component individually. The question, however, comes down to whether or not the Destroyers are worth the investment, as GW has proven to us in the past that the only things they keep the old sets of, but dont nerf are the core troop choices.

**Dashofpepper**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Getting warriors alone, however, makes it alot cheaper than buying the Battleforce.

Personally I dont see that much of a nerf in Wyches. They recieved plasma grenades for free and gained a 4+ invul in close combat, with no increase in points, and Power from Pain. However any DE stuff is probably a moot point to compare since almost the entire range (bar three choices) got new models. The Fex though did indeed get nerfed to hell to make way for the new Trygon.

I doubt, though, that Destroyers will be nerfed, given that the rumors point to a new Destroyer model. Refrain from getting Heavy Destroyers though, as it seems likely they'll be made plastic (and therefore cheaper).

Uh...wyches lost wych weapons (no more halving weapon skill), allocation of special weapons was nerfed, and they no longer have the ability to gain a 12" charge. They gained free plasma grenades, but already had a 4+ invulnerable save - which was arguably better in the old codex because of the wording.

The gained grenades, lost a lot of utility - I'd call that a nerf. At least, that's why I don't play a pure wych cult anymore.

Anyway, just be warned: GW loves to nerf popular things to drive sales. They're a business.

**shadeyaces**

I say buy the necron bow set I think its worth it. I say buy a lot of wraiths 5 destoryers 2 monltihs desyoryer lords and do not buy a Ctan right now I have to say that they are a waste of points.