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Now i know there are a lot better choices for an H.Q. in any Blood Angels Army but since i'm going with a Flesh Tearers theme i wanted to try him out.

My question is is Gabriel Seth a decent Character for his skill, abilities, tactics, etc? or is he kind of a push over since he doesn't have a power weapon?

Seth is useless - For the same points you can get a beast furioso with blood talons. No power weapon = no go.

it is strength 8, which mean it inflict instant death

Seth is also in HQ slot, so if you want an HQ with strike at iniit powerfist.... take Seth, he will take out any model below t5 with his S8 chainsword, adding to the effect he can do multi attack with his chainsword and kicking people when they roll 1

He is also "cheap"

he is decent not the very best you could get, but decent none the less

Retrias wrote:it is strength 8, which mean it inflict instant death

Seth is also in HQ slot, so if you want an HQ with strike at iniit powerfist.... take Seth, he will take out any model below t5 with his S8 chainsword, adding to the effect he can do multi attack with his chainsword and kicking people when they roll 1

He is also "cheap"

he is decent not the very best you could get, but decent none the less

It's still NOT a power weapon. You still get your 2+ or 3+ save against him with your run of the mill tactical marine.

No power weapon = no go.

It's Rending tho

I like him. Havn't seen him in action though, but with S8 and rending he is pretty awesome against vehicles. And with him striking at initiative, the ass-whoopin' when the enemy rolls a 1 and the attack where he hits everything in basecontact, he makes for a pretty good anti-hord character. + His model is just friggin' sweet!
He is no one man killing machine like the sanguinor or mephiston, but he's a very nice addition to a squad which can really kill some stuff. (Also, if you put him in a squad with something that has a power weapon that makes the gang even more dangerous.)

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Remember, too, that your HQ is not a scoring/troops unit. he has to be there, but so do they. Using a less expensive HQ like Seth would allow for more points to be spent elsewhere.

I say take him. Even if he's not armed with a power weapon, he still has one of the only chainswords that works properly and he makes high strength hits at his initiative value.

Thanks everyone

Seth is useless because he does not have a power weapon and if he gets in to combat with a close combat squad or close combat monster like a trygon or nurgle daemon prince he will die.

But with Furious Charge and a squad of Death Company with him he'll be attacking before the trygon and with all those str 9 and str 5 weapons that things going down, plus he hits before a nurgle prince since he'll be initiative 6 and hes str 9 so wounds nurgle prince on 2+

I would use him. May as well try him out, just keep in mind his weaknesses and strengths

Enough wounds will kill anything. He's got a lot of punch, despite not having a power weapon. Being strength 8/9 on the charge really offsets that little drawback. He's also insanely good at killing mobs of troops. He can carve through a brood of Tyranid warriors, Nobz, or what have you.

He has a massive chainsword. This would have sold him to me.

Plus, his special ability, used right, can devastate hordes.

The right time to use it is to throw him into a massive block of weak enemies, by the way

He's never strength 9. His sword always strikes at strength 8. It's in his rules.

Take him for fluff. Don't expect too much from him.

Seth is useless because he does not have a power weapon and if he gets in to combat with a close combat squad or close combat monster like a trygon or nurgle daemon prince he will die.

So don't send him against those?

Really, just because there are things your HQ can't kill doesn't mean it's a bad HQ. In fact, probably one of the only ones who wont die against things like a trygon or nurgle prince would be Logan Grimnar, and maybe the sanguinor/mephiston. If I played Blood Angles, I would field Seth. I think he's quite impressive.

He is the worst SC in the book man as was stated before - Take him for fluff and don't expect great things from him. A blood angle librarian is a much better option if you want to kill things rather than not kill things.

Problem isnt that Gabriel sucks, it's that (again) everything else in the book is better. Gabriel is pretty good compared to a normal captain or non SW/BA characters, but gets completely overshadowed by Space Jesus and the Totally-Not-Daemon Prince. He seems to be well-rounded. He just sucks against anything with a high armor save (although Rending does migate it a bit).

He is a good special character. you would have to be pretty new to the game to not understand what hes made for.

If you think a power weapon is what MAKES a special character good then I suppose you also think armor value makes a tank good or bad?

100% sad and utterly terrible.


I hate blood angels but Seth is cool and hes also good.

The guy can kill hordes via his two special rules.
The guy will penetrate Tanks due to his S8 and Rending rule.
The guy will deny terminators their precious 2+ save through Rending.

He's pretty much good against every unit type except for 3+ MEQs, and even then, he doesnt stand a noticably worse chance than a captain armed with a power weapon. He doesnt possess Artificer Armor, 3+ invul save or a Power weapon, but for only 60 points more than a vanilla captain, does he really need that bling?

Ail-Shan wrote:Really, just because there are things your HQ can't kill doesn't mean it's a bad HQ. In fact, probably one of the only ones who wont die against things like a trygon or nurgle prince would be Logan Grimnar, and maybe the sanguinor/mephiston. If I played Blood Angles, I would field Seth. I think he's quite impressive.

Oh come on, there's loads of HQ characters who stand a fair chance against trygons or nurgle princes in CC. GKGMs, Stern, Lysander, Calgar, a BT marshal with TH/SS and adamantine mantle, Nightbringer, the Deciever and quite a few more all have a pretty good chance to go toe-to-toe with those big, 1 model crazypants melee monsters and win.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:The guy can kill hordes via his two special rules.
The guy will penetrate Tanks due to his S8 and Rending rule.
The guy will deny terminators their precious 2+ save through Rending.

He's pretty much good against every unit type except for 3+ MEQs, and even then, he doesnt stand a noticably worse chance than a captain armed with a power weapon. He doesnt possess Artificer Armor, 3+ invul save or a Power weapon, but for only 60 points more than a vanilla captain, does he really need that bling?

According to the GW site he has a 2+ and a 4++...
Personally he seems like a really cool character and if i ever collected BA i'd run him.

His entry in the BA dex gives him Power Armor (3+ save, on his profile too).

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:His entry in the BA dex gives him Power Armor (3+ save, on his profile too).

Then GW has dropped the ball on it's website.. which isn't news actually.

Codex says it's 3+ and 4++ ,if seth have 2+ i will take him more than what i would take Tycho

Good to hear Eviscerators are not just powerfists anymore. Double S and Rend. makes much more sense.

Now handle that over to my Templars please.

Oh come on, there's loads of HQ characters who stand a fair chance against trygons or nurgle princes in CC. GKGMs, Stern, Lysander, Calgar, a BT marshal with TH/SS and adamantine mantle, Nightbringer, the Deciever and quite a few more all have a pretty good chance to go toe-to-toe with those big, 1 model crazypants melee monsters and win.

And there are loads who can't: Any of the Phoenix Lords, Prince Yriel, arguably Eldrad, Farsight, Shrike, Ulrik, Lelith, Drazhar, arguably Archons, and quite a few more (I need to read other codices more).

In addition, I'm pretty sure everyone you listed costs more than Seth, and so it's understandable that they're more killy/survivable. And come on, the Night Bringer? I'm certain that if you pay 200 points more on your character you'll be just a bit better.

Ail-Shan wrote:

Oh come on, there's loads of HQ characters who stand a fair chance against trygons or nurgle princes in CC. GKGMs, Stern, Lysander, Calgar, a BT marshal with TH/SS and adamantine mantle, Nightbringer, the Deciever and quite a few more all have a pretty good chance to go toe-to-toe with those big, 1 model crazypants melee monsters and win.

And there are loads who can't: Any of the Phoenix Lords, Prince Yriel, arguably Eldrad, Farsight, Shrike, Ulrik, Lelith, Drazhar, arguably Archons, and quite a few more (I need to read other codices more).

In addition, I'm pretty sure everyone you listed costs more than Seth, and so it's understandable that they're more killy/survivable. And come on, the Night Bringer? I'm certain that if you pay 200 points more on your character you'll be just a bit better.

You mention that the only characters you could think of that had a good chance against trygons, nurgle princes etc. were Logan, Meph and the Sanguinor. I pointed out some more characters. What's wrong with that?

Logan is a bit out of place there, but Meph and Sang are prettymuch your only alternative in a BA dex, and Seth costs a fraction of their points.

What's wrong with that?

Ah fair enough that's what I get for not re-reading my own post.

In any case, having things he cannot kill does not make Seth a bad HQ.

His Wargear + special rules don't match. S8 Rending Chainsword is MADE for Greater Deamons / Tank-killing.Special rule only provides 1 autohit.. against non-skimmers, fairly usefull. Horde armies w/ bad armour saves will evade to bring many models in base contact. 3 TH / SS Termies around him=> screwed.


Imagine him carrying a S4 normal powersword + Jump pack: I'd buy it.
I'd even buy it with str 8 rend + jump pack against tanks.
But footslogging? No, thanks.