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2011/03/08 02:25:03
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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In the 41st millennium, we all know the God-Emperor rules all. But what happened to God, Jesus, Muhammad, and all the other religions? Did the God-Emperor just go up and kick the crap out of them all? Or was he part Jesus?
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2011/03/08 02:48:21
Subject: What happened the religions?
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I think all of the old religions faded into myth and legends, but bits and peices of them do survive...
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2011/03/08 03:47:29
Subject: Re:What happened the religions?
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The Emperor destroyed organized religion as he went during the conquest of Earth, and then the Great Crusade. He was a staunch atheist and proponent of the replacement of mysticism with science and rational thinking; which is terrifically ironic, looking at what happened to him.
After the Heresy, the nascent Ecclesiarchy grew to power by stamping out competing religions. Then, once they had official sanction, they fought a series of bloody crusades to establish a single, galaxy-wide orthodoxy. In fact, the Church Militant still declares Wars of Faith periodically, but by this time almost all other major religions have been destroyed for millenia. What survives are various divergent brands of the Imperial Creed, and Chaos worship. The major religious figures of Earth's history are forgotten.
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2011/03/08 03:55:35
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The main non-Astartes character in Prospero Burns is a former Catheric.
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2011/03/08 07:04:40
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Like gonesskay said the former Religions of Earth where gone into myths and legends and those that have survived where forbidden by the Emperor when he united Terra.
I only don't know how he didn't take into recontamination that he will be declared a God one day? I mean he knew that people know that he has being with Humanity from 8000 B.C., that he united them using his knowledge from the dark age of technology, that he united mankind again and in the end he sacrificed to save us.
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
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2011/03/08 18:49:14
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Legendary Dogfighter
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Platuan4th wrote:The main non-Astartes character in Prospero Burns is a former Catheric.
And this religion is quite reminiscent of Christian rites and traditions, like the use of a cross as a main symbol, or the act of kneeling when praying. Hence, while all of our modern religions had disappeared during the Age of Strife, some of their traditions evolved and were perpetuated in other religions.
Of course, almost all of these religions were wiped out by Big E during the Unification Wars. The few religions that might have survived were destroyed by the nascent Ecclesiarchy after the HH.
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2011/03/08 20:59:34
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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I'm surprise none of the heavy duty Christians or Muslim or any other religions started to riot and try and overthrow the Emperor. Where I live, if something like this would happen, everyone would either fight to keep these religions or become a martyr.
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2011/03/08 21:10:41
Subject: What happened the religions?
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ironhand45 wrote:I'm surprise none of the heavy duty Christians or Muslim or any other religions started to riot and try and overthrow the Emperor. Where I live, if something like this would happen, everyone would either fight to keep these religions or become a martyr.
And I assume events like this would have been part of the Unification Wars that have been touched upon here and there.
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2011/03/08 21:23:36
Subject: What happened the religions?
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ironhand45 wrote:I'm surprise none of the heavy duty Christians or Muslim or any other religions started to riot and try and overthrow the Emperor. Where I live, if something like this would happen, everyone would either fight to keep these religions or become a martyr.
They probably did... they also probably died or changed religion very quickly...
Though some parts of the world aren't very religious at all...
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2011/03/08 21:33:02
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Brother Coa wrote:Like gonesskay said the former Religions of Earth where gone into myths and legends and those that have survived where forbidden by the Emperor when he united Terra.
I only don't know how he didn't take into recontamination that he will be declared a God one day? I mean he knew that people know that he has being with Humanity from 8000 B.C., that he united them using his knowledge from the dark age of technology, that he united mankind again and in the end he sacrificed to save us.
Actually he did and had specifically stated he was not a god and should not be worshiped as one. 1st book of the Horus Heresy "Horus Rising"
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2011/03/08 21:44:37
Subject: What happened the religions?
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All of those religious figures are hinted at having been the emperor in different forms as he guided mankind before the unification. Hence why he looks like jesus and why the fight with the ctan dragon is used to liken him to saint george.
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2011/03/09 02:19:20
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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The Emperor also tried to hide the existance of Chaos from humanity and I think this is the reason why he pushed atheism so hard. If chaos didn't have any followers then they didn't have the power. Well, look how that turned out...
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2011/03/12 12:56:49
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Tough Tyrant Guard
Firing my Hellgun into a Fire Warrior's head....
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My question is what happened to the god(s) worshiped by humanity before. (WH Fantasy)
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2011/03/12 18:06:34
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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It's also used in "False Gods" I believe, Horus was shown that possible future -where the emperor is revered as a god - in order to convince him to turn to chaos.
Vandil wrote:Brother Coa wrote:Like gonesskay said the former Religions of Earth where gone into myths and legends and those that have survived where forbidden by the Emperor when he united Terra.
I only don't know how he didn't take into recontamination that he will be declared a God one day? I mean he knew that people know that he has being with Humanity from 8000 B.C., that he united them using his knowledge from the dark age of technology, that he united mankind again and in the end he sacrificed to save us.
Actually he did and had specifically stated he was not a god and should not be worshiped as one. 1st book of the Horus Heresy "Horus Rising"
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2011/03/13 05:40:04
Subject: What happened the religions?
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i don't think the emperor is aethist, for one thing technology is magic to the IoM, and for another he convinced the people he was a god.
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2011/03/13 06:27:47
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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xXSir MontyXx wrote:My question is what happened to the god(s) worshiped by humanity before. (WH Fantasy)
They were never worshipped. WHFB is not a prequel to WH40k.
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2011/03/13 12:49:14
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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knightofdread wrote: for another he convinced the people he was a god.
Actually, the opposite. He tried to convince people he wasn't a god, which just made those who worshiped him believe more.
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2011/03/13 15:40:31
Subject: Re:What happened the religions?
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The God-Emperor actually disbanded all religion, but Lorgar was responsible for spreading the Imperial Occult. When the Emperor told him to stop making him into a deity, Lorgar got all sorts of pissed and went to Chaos http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lorgar
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2011/03/13 17:50:16
Subject: Re:What happened the religions?
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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His problem was he disbanded religion. Thats it pure and simple.
When you make something forbidding; it makes it look more alluring to people. He should have educated on safe religious views.
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2011/03/13 17:59:07
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Happy We Found Our Primarch
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Well i still think that religion plays a big part in the Humans of the 40K universe.
They refer to thier brethren as "brother", such as a monk or a priest would be called.
Also the Sisters of battle are "sisters" such as nuns.
It seems that these religions were put into myth and legend and then the Emperor rose and people thought of him as being the prophet from all the gods so each and every religions gods had come together to try and hold peace for humanity as they were finding new terrors that could break thier race and drive them into extinction. Everybody needed to be joined together by one prophet the Emperor.
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2011/03/14 00:41:36
Subject: What happened the religions?
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OP, check out the Horus Heresy, Tales of Heresy (Anthology), The Last Church by Graham McNeill. That should give you a good idea what Big E did to all the religions.
Edit: Short answer to your questions, meh, yes, I dunno.
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2011/03/14 09:51:45
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Detonator wrote:Well i still think that religion plays a big part in the Humans of the 40K universe.
Indeed, the Emperor is after-all considered to be the God Emperor of Mankind. The Imperium has a state religion, and some of the other state institutions have a religious flavour to them (e.g. the Holy Ordos of the Inquisition). There are entire worlds that are given over to the glorification of the Emperor and the imperial cult. Religion is BIG in the 40k setting.
Detonator wrote:They refer to thier brethren as "brother", such as a monk or a priest would be called.
Also the Sisters of battle are "sisters" such as nuns.
It seems that these religions were put into myth and legend and then the Emperor rose and people thought of him as being the prophet from all the gods so each and every religions gods had come together to try and hold peace for humanity as they were finding new terrors that could break thier race and drive them into extinction. Everybody needed to be joined together by one prophet the Emperor.
Whether the people considered to the Emperor a religious figure in the early stages of his 'active' career or not, it is clear from the HH books that the Emperor tried to stamp out religions and denied any personal divinity. By the time of the HH books the people of the Emperor are predominantly atheist in outlook, as is public state policy. Of course the Emperor isn't an atheist (any status arguments about the chaos gods aside), because he knows the Chaos Gods exist.
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2011/03/14 10:55:09
Subject: Re:What happened the religions?
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He knows the Chaos Gods exist, he doesn't belief in them though. That only encourages them. 
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2011/03/14 12:16:27
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Tough Tyrant Guard
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AlexHolker wrote:xXSir MontyXx wrote:My question is what happened to the god(s) worshiped by humanity before. (WH Fantasy)
They were never worshipped. WHFB is not a prequel to WH40k.
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2011/03/14 12:23:59
Subject: What happened the religions?
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Would an Earth-centric religion really survive in a form we'd recognize it in anyway, after humanity has gone to the stars, warred with aliens and daemons, and seen hideous mutations and psykers?
My guess is no, these things happening in rapid succession would probably cause a redefining of mankind's faith. I mean, how are you supposed to face and kneel to mecca when you're an insane amount of light years away and you can't locate the star that Earth is orbiting amongst the trillions of others in the sky?
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