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Alright, I have just finished reading Nemesis. Two more books to go to catch up!
Anyhow... the book was better than I expected after getting through the first 100 or so pages. However, I'm still curious about a few things.
Spoiler:
1. Kell says "I am the weapon" and we never hear about his demise. Later, Horus is on the planet's surface. The HH has left quite a few 'deaths' without fully providing details (Garviel Loken being an example). This still seemed odd the way they ended Kell. I just don't feel comfortable assuming he was blasted from the stars or became a bug smear on Horus' windshield.
2. Why did Horus send Sedirae as his proxy? Horus had to know he was going to be killed. Otherwise, wouldn't a member of the Mournival such as Little Horus been present as proxy instead? Did Dorn perhaps send a message in a manner that Horus would know so that the assassins would fail? It was clear that Dorn felt the assassins must fail.
3. It would appear that Horus had something to do with Spear's demise. How did this play out? I'm curious.
Slaanesh isn't all cocaine and unicorns. -- Nurglitch
1: Same here, I wondered about Kell's fate. I guessed we are left to make up our minds about how he is killed aboard the Vengeful Spirit.
2: Many reasons. Maybe he had more important matters to attend to than appearing on an insignificant planet to sway the population to his side, someone in his armour would be just as good, and no-one would question him about it.
3: No idea, been ages since I read it, can't remember some of it.
1. I just assumed Kell was dead personally. It wouldn't surprise me if he went the way of the dod---- Loken, but I'm just assuming he's dead. In style too.
2. I think it was just a precaution. Sedirae is someone capable of acting as Horus; a leader, figure etc. I can't imagine he knew he was going to be assassinated, but he was likely just being careful to make sure it was safe for he to come down himself. Sincerley doubt Dorn sent a message though, let alone be able to do so without being found out.
3. Can't imagine so. I can't recall it too well either, but it seemed like general plot-armour/ fight with no real outside influence. Favourite character in that book too.
I must admit, I found the novel 'meh'. Some of the bits were nice, but not really any of the main plot/imperial assassins was fun for me.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
I think, in terms of number 3, Horus had been aware of erebus hand in things, and the tactics he was planning to use. Ergo he was not especially pleased about something he considered dishounourable, and may have used some influence elsewhere to see that it was not the way he was remembered as winning....
Personally, I thought the eversor assasin was a great character. Nice to see an exploration of what it would take to be an eversor, and I thought it was captured well. Accusations of a 1 dimensional personality are moot, given that he couldn't really be any other way.
For number 2, I got the impression that Horus is starting to communicate with the Dark Gods directly and hence sent Sedirae, who it is implied he disliked, in his stead.
I got this impression from the parts from Erebus' point of view, as I got a feeling that Erebus is only just realising that he is no longer in control of Horus.
Feeling very optimistic about the Great Crusade... things can only get better from here.
HungryTaz wrote:Alright, I have just finished reading Nemesis. Two more books to go to catch up!
Anyhow... the book was better than I expected after getting through the first 100 or so pages. However, I'm still curious about a few things.
HungryTaz wrote:
Spoiler:
1. Kell says "I am the weapon" and we never hear about his demise. Later, Horus is on the planet's surface. The HH has left quite a few 'deaths' without fully providing details (Garviel Loken being an example). This still seemed odd the way they ended Kell. I just don't feel comfortable assuming he was blasted from the stars or became a bug smear on Horus' windshield.
Spoiler:
Pretty sure that he got killed, not much chance of anything surviving a direct conflict with the Vengeful Spirit. The guy knows he's not going to survive so leaves his obituary on the other ship.
HungryTaz wrote:
Spoiler:
2. Why did Horus send Sedirae as his proxy? Horus had to know he was going to be killed. Otherwise, wouldn't a member of the Mournival such as Little Horus been present as proxy instead? Did Dorn perhaps send a message in a manner that Horus would know so that the assassins would fail? It was clear that Dorn felt the assassins must fail.
Spoiler:
Horus was aware of the mission, as was he aware of spear. It's a possibility that Horus knew from means of a leak in the Emperors court or that he knows from the warp, like Erebus does. This is why Erebus seems surprised when Horus knows about Spear. My opinion is that Erebus is as required as he thinks anymore.
On Sedirae, he's getting awfully difficult to control and is often contesting the Warmaster. As is mentioned he's supposed to be a contender for the Mournival. What does Horus do with obstacles? Think back on Ignace Karsaky, Hektor Vavarus and Petronella Valar and what happened to them
HungryTaz wrote:
Spoiler:
3. It would appear that Horus had something to do with Spear's demise. How did this play out? I'm curious.
Spoiler:
Don't think so, doesn't seem that Horus had anything to do with this. Horus knew of the mission but couldn't do anything to stop Spear at the time. He just tells Erebus to remember his place basically.
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Drefan wrote:For number 2, I got the impression that Horus is starting to communicate with the Dark Gods directly and hence sent Sedirae, who it is implied he disliked, in his stead.
I got this impression from the parts from Erebus' point of view, as I got a feeling that Erebus is only just realising that he is no longer in control of Horus.
Indeed, there is a section where we hear that Sedirae had been complaining about his place, and was causing a problem for Horus. Horus knew that the assassination attempt was going to be made, and used the convenience.
Re. how he knew, I've got no evidence for this (and it's certainly not mentioned), but did anyone else wonder how Horus knew about the assassination attempt? Yes, the obvious explanation is 'a wizard did it' (chaos), but I'm just thinking of how both Dorn and Horus were united in their opinion that the Heresy must not end by the leader of either faction falling to an assassin. Did Dorn somehow warn Horus that it was going to take place.. ?
Feel free to torch this idea, it was just a feeling I got regarding the similarity of Dorn and Horus' sentiments, despite being on opposite sides they still share a similar logic.
I did enjoy the Eversor character the Garantine. He was a fun character and had some of the better moments in the book.
I do feel that Kell met his demise, but it felt odd the way his story was ended, compared to the other assassins where you were given information right up until their last breath.
And I do agree that I think word got to Horus in some way, shape or form and Dorn was either the indirect or direct source of that information. Another clue that I didn't mention that there was some sort of outside communication was that word spread to Terra that the 13th Company Captain was taken down, but this was not from Kell's data as they didn't view that until they discussed the death of Sedirae.
Slaanesh isn't all cocaine and unicorns. -- Nurglitch
HungryTaz wrote: shape or form and Dorn was either the indirect or direct source of that information. Another clue that I didn't mention that there was some sort of outside communication was that word spread to Terra that the 13th Company Captain was taken down, but this was not from Kell's data as they didn't view that until they discussed the death of Sedirae.
Dorn was the person who picked up the space craft and Kells message and revealed it to the Assassin Masters, but they were already aware of what went done and that the mission had failed. How indeed? Possibly a spy in Horus midst?
What I also was questioning was how come the Assassin Masters didn't know that the mission was set by Valdor when all the assassins knew it was him? If they knew that Sedirae had been killed then surely they would've known who the mission was given by. It's only when the Master of the Eversor Clade guesses is Valdors identity revealed. Just seemed kinda weird to me.
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