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With the first wave of Demon Hunter (Sorry Grey Knight) models containing no models related to the witch-hunters like inquisitors or assassins it could mean a few things.

1.They are coming out as a second wave.

2.They are coming out when the sisters get a new codex.

3.They will be split half half with the witch-hunters.

Those are in what i think is the most accurate order of probability.

A few other things the releases point to

5 Sister Kits

Multi Pupose Kits (So lots of heavy and special weapons and spare bits) I think 5 sister kits would be okay if we get loads of bits for conversions and upgrades.

No more WITCHUNTERS and instead SISTERS OF BATTLE or possibly even ECCLESIARCHY or ADEPTUS MINISTORUM

EVERYTHING PLASTIC! (Except Characters)

This is is just my take.

What do you think?

SoBs will probably have their own stand-alone codex and have Inquisitorial units as common units, like the Harlequins for Eldar.

I agree but it might be good to have a witchunter specific inquisitor boxset. So you can have stuff like the silver bolter stake crossbow and the auspex.

And if every grey knight is a psyker and the next sister dex is a good against Psykers as the Knights now are against demons does that it mean will be rock paper scissors 40k style?

Sisters>Knights>Demons>Sisters>Knights>Demons>Sisters>Knights>Demons>Sisters>Knights>Demons>Sisters>Knights>Demons>Sisters>Knights>Demons>Sisters>Knights>Demons>Sisters>Knights>Demons>Sisters>Knights>Demons>Sisters>Knights>Demons>Sisters

Kind of wondering where BA, Mech IG and SW fit into that, to be honest.

What new daemonhunters codex?

All three branches of hte Inquisition are in it, it's not a Daemonhunters codex.

I would rather see a rebirth of the old Sisters + Ecclesiarchy mindset, complete with frateris militia models and rules, amongst other things. MAYBE include the three inquisitors as side units...

I believe there won't be a new Witch Hunter codex but instead a codex for Sisters of Battle, including pretty much the same Inquisitorial units the Grey Knight codex has, though perhaps with a few tweaks (different SCs, some different equipment and perhaps the penitent engine).

I think the Eccleswhatchamacallit is gonna be the second wave of the GK book.

Cerebrium wrote:I think the Eccleswhatchamacallit is gonna be the second wave of the GK book.

Nope, there's pretty much no Ecclesiarchial presence in the GK book.

Saintspirit wrote:I believe there won't be a new Witch Hunter codex but instead a codex for Sisters of Battle, including pretty much the same Inquisitorial units the Grey Knight codex has, though perhaps with a few tweaks (different SCs, some different equipment and perhaps the penitent engine).

The Penitent Engine isn't an inquisitorial vehicle.

Priests and Acroflagellants appear in the GK book, if the website is any indication. The Priest is said to be an Ecclesiarchy representitive while the Acroflagellants use to require one such representitive to be present to be used.

More likely, the Priests are in because they're a retinue option for Inquisitors.

These are my guesse based off of what GW has done in the past.

1) It will be called "Sisters of battle" and not "Witch Hunters". I think that GW wanted to move the grey knights away from the "they only fight demons" thing they had going so people would not feel like they were breaking with the fluff every time the Demon Hunters fought with non-demons. It will be the same for the Sisters of Battle.

2) The book will focus on "Sisters of battle" units. Since it will not be a mainstream army, AND the bits from the kit will not be seen in other armies much, it is in their best interest to have ONE large plastic kit with a lot of options that you use to build most of your army. For the Grey knights, between the Terminator and Power Armor kits you can make most of the infantry units in the codex. I am sre that we will see a "Battle Sisters" box with a number of options in order to make a number of different squads in different parts of the FOC. (Most likely/wish list- box of 10 with choice of BP/CWW or Bolter with Special/Heavy Weapons, Close Combat gear, Banner, and extra fancy bits)

3) This one I am not sure on either, but it would also be in GW's best interest to have the same inquisition units from the Grey Knight book make an appearance, including the special characters. then you will see people playing Cortez+Henchman lists want to buy some Sisters of Battle AND Grey Knight to include in their force. (In different games of course)

4) Something new and BIG. We have seen this for a while now and it is good for business to have something large and dramatic in the first wave of models. This MIGHT be new Penitent Engines (maybe in a set of 3) OR it could be something new and crazy that we have never seen before.

5) Probably will have some kind of large skimmer/flyer (on the oval base with large flying stand) as that seems to be the new "Thing" for the past few books. (Storm Raven, Harpy, Razorwing, Valkyrie, Summer of Flyers rumors) It might just be that they get the Valk as a Fast/Transport option, as there is already a kit for it, why not find a way to sell more of them.

More than likely something bit will also be something new. Probably a new tank is my guess, as Sisters only have one actual tank.

They have the Exorcist and the Immolator right?

Although yeah. The immolator aint too special anymore.

There are no witch-hunters models in the wave, because they already exist and are fine.

More than likely, the GK codex and presence of Inq indicate that SOB will get their own codex (Codex: SOB).

Although there is a good chance they will get one or more small entries similar to the GK codex that allow a Ordo Hereticus.

But definitely pointing to separate and not a Witch Hunters 5.0.

ChocolateGork wrote:They have the Exorcist and the Immolator right?

Although yeah. The immolator aint too special anymore.

Not too? It never was.

ll the immolator has ever been was an overpriced, underprivileged razorback. Meh.

maybe they will get a giant walker in the shape of a women carrying a baby....

Tmonster wrote:maybe they will get a giant walker in the shape of a women carrying a baby....

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1090114

Not quite, but close.

Melissia wrote:
ll the immolator has ever been was an overpriced, underprivileged razorback. Meh.

That can fire when moving 12 and has a fire point. Those are kind of two big advantages over a RB.

ChocolateGork wrote:They have the Exorcist and the Immolator right?

Although yeah. The immolator aint too special anymore.

The immolator is more of an IFV, i think Mellssla is hoping for something like a predator or russ.

Speaking of which, something similar to the Baal predator would fit right in with the sisters, perhaps with Melta or bolter turret options.

ChocolateGork wrote:No more WITCHUNTERS and instead SISTERS OF BATTLE or possibly even ECCLESIARCHY or ADEPTUS MINISTORUM

I think this is likely.

The shift to having all three branches of the Inquisition in the Grey Knights codex suggests (at least to me) that they are trying to shift back to the idea of the Grey Knights being the militant arm of the Inquisition, with Sisters moving back to their Ecclesiastical roots. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Inquisitors are gone from the next Sisters codex and it's back to just Battle Sisters and Eccllesiarchy, as it was for the original 2nd edition codex..

heh Scouting melta cannon, armor 13/11/10 with Melta sponsons.

ChocolateGork wrote:A few other things the releases point to

5 Sister Kits

1. Sisters are not Space Marines, and neither do they need X melee weapons for every member of the squad.
2. They come in 10-woman squads. Including only half a minimum-sized squad in the box would be stupid.
3. They're also a Jes Goodwin project unlike the BA and GK super-expensive units, so hopefully he'll rein in any particularly overt attempts to sabotage the army.

I'd expect them to be more like the Dark Eldar, with 10 Battle Sisters or 5 Seraphim for 15 pounds.

pretre wrote:

Melissia wrote:
ll the immolator has ever been was an overpriced, underprivileged razorback. Meh.

That can fire when moving 12

It cannot fire a TLMM or TLHB after moving 12". Only its TLHFs.

So no, it still has nothing over a razorback. It can fire a heavy flamer after moving twelve inches, whoopty do. So can a BA razorback and it gets smoke for free and can do the same thing with TLACs and TLLCs instead if it wants to.

While STILL costing less.

Melissia wrote:

pretre wrote:

Melissia wrote:
ll the immolator has ever been was an overpriced, underprivileged razorback. Meh.

That can fire when moving 12

It cannot fire a TLMM or TLHB after moving 12". Only its TLHFs.

So no, it still has nothing over a razorback. It can fire a heavy flamer after moving twelve inches, whoopty do. So can a BA razorback and it gets smoke for free and can do the same thing with TLACs and TLLCs instead if it wants to.

While STILL costing less.

Fire points aren't present on any other razorback, that's a big deal. BA RB is Fast, which is different.

Cost is a null point, since the codex is 8 years old and of course that will change. When the codex came out, they were priced in line with all other razorbacks. I imagine they will do that again.


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Oh, and I'm not sure I've ever taken a TLHB and haven't taken a TLMM since 3rd for exactly that reason. They're not really viable compared to the move 12 and fire.

Melissia wrote:

Tmonster wrote:maybe they will get a giant walker in the shape of a women carrying a baby....

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1090114

Not quite, but close.

Dreadknight will look better with breasts anyways.

I think that one of the biggest questions will be what will happen to FAITH POINTS?

It is one fo the few rules from way back in the day that is interesting but still works. I wonder if they would just change them to being just a LD test for simplicity.

I am also not sure how they will deal with "martyrdom" aspect. With that rule, it makes you want to keep your Sister Superiors bland so you can sacrifice them for more faith points, BUT my guess is that GW will want to encourage people to fancy up their squad leaders. I think that models with unique wargear look good on tables, and it gives GW more interesting models to show off to entice customers. (look at all the cool options you can take, ect.)

Yes, fast is different.

It's BETTER.


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svendrex wrote:I think that one of the biggest questions will be what will happen to FAITH POINTS?

It is one fo the few rules from way back in the day that is interesting but still works. I wonder if they would just change them to being just a LD test for simplicity.

I am also not sure how they will deal with "martyrdom" aspect. With that rule, it makes you want to keep your Sister Superiors bland so you can sacrifice them for more faith points, BUT my guess is that GW will want to encourage people to fancy up their squad leaders. I think that models with unique wargear look good on tables, and it gives GW more interesting models to show off to entice customers. (look at all the cool options you can take, ect.)

Right, I hope it's just a base LD test (keeping the Sisters' army wide stubborn) for faith and no martyrdom. As it is, right now three of the five Acts of Faith are pretty much never used. With an Ld check instead of how it currently works, The Passion will become actually useful for example (one could use it when fighting Marines so that the Sisters strike first for example, or to strike at the same time as Eldar).

Melissia wrote:Yes, fast is different.

It's BETTER.

And me, I thought you'd reformed.

I know what Fast is. I'm aware it is better.

Point?

I could see martyrdom working if it was whole squads maybe. It would give them some interesting and different tactical options, Sacrifice a unit to save a unit sort of things.