[2500] Draigo List

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**em_en_oh_pee**

HQ:
Lord Kaldor Draigo
[275]

Troops:
(5) Paladin Squad
- Psycannon, Halberd
- Halberd
- Hammer
- Banner
- Apothecary
[395]

(5) Paladin Squad
- Psycannon, Halberd
- Halberd
- Hammer
- Banner
- Apothecary
[395]

(5) Paladin Squad
- Psycannon, Halberd
- Halberd
- Hammer
- Banner
- Apothecary
[395]

(5) Grey Knight Strike Squad
Psycannon, Hammer
[120]

(5) Grey Knight Strike Squad
Psycannon, Hammer
[120]

Heavy:
Land Raider Crusader
Multimelta
[265]

Land Raider
Multimelta
[265]

Land Raider
Multimelta
[265]

[2495]

Keep in mind, I am going off possibly incorrect numbers. If it looks wrong, let me know, however I am pretty sure its correct. Anyhow, the basic squads squat on home turf while the triple Raiders roll up and dump the Pallies. This has 29 models at 2500pts, which is outstanding! Hard to think it wouldn't be amusing to see and I have no doubts this is not competitive in the least! Still, what do you folks think? How can it be better without killing the theme too much?

**rodgers37**

And i thought my 29 models at 1500 was low.
Your obviously going to have a huge problem against any army with lots of S8+ weapons, so As soon as your playing Space Wolves, you might as well give up

Well its not that bad, but even with a 2+ save, those paladins will be dropping quickly to high strength. I don't know if they are going to be doing enough damage to justify their points cost.

**em_en_oh_pee**

Most likely not. Isn't it hilarious though!? 29 models at 2500pt. I am pretty sure that qualifies as "Elite".

**tokugawa**

Do you really need apothecarys in every paladin squad?

With or without apothecarys, they still die horribly to meltas.

**em_en_oh_pee**

How many Meltas do I need to worry about? Not that many, really and they still get a 5+, which is awful, but better than zip.

**jy2**

Not my type of list, but it could be fun. Just not competitive.

Try to grab a rhino for each of your GKSS and give your LRC psybolt ammo. It's worth it for the LRC.

**Alphacerberus**

if you keep the swords its a 4++

id use them like storm sheilds to take saves

**Cnevets**

I believe it's only a 4+ in close combat so Meltas will still be a problem. Paladins are tough but way to expensive, your better off with Mordak and his ghost knights. He's pretty gimmicky.

**Alphacerberus**

Cnevets wrote:I believe it's only a 4+ in close combat so Meltas will still be a problem. Paladins are tough but way to expensive, your better off with Mordak and his ghost knights. He's pretty gimmicky.

if i recall correctly its even shooting

**Eyclonus**

em_en_oh_pee wrote:How many Meltas do I need to worry about? Not that many, really and they still get a 5+, which is awful, but better than zip.

At this point level... You've never played IG MechVets have you?

**A-P**

em_en_oh_pee wrote:Most likely not. Isn't it hilarious though!? 29 models at 2500pt. I am pretty sure that qualifies as "Elite".

Adapting the old joke from WW2:

" Every GK equals 10 X/Y/whatever!"
" That is fine and dandy. But what do you when number 11 comes along?"

Still, 29 models at 2.5K is hilarious

. Might be a motivation to resurrect the thread idea about "army with lowest model count with full FOC".

**em_en_oh_pee**

Eyclonus wrote:
em_en_oh_pee wrote:How many Meltas do I need to worry about? Not that many, really and they still get a 5+, which is awful, but better than zip.

At this point level... You've never played IG MechVets have you?

I play MechVets and boast maybe 9 Meltaguns. That is why I asked, but with so much low AP S8 weaponry, this army is all about the hilarity of 29 models at 2500pts.

**Eyclonus**

I play against MechVets at 1,500 and he usually takes 12. During an Apoc that was 2 onto him, it was something like 30.

I see a lot of Melta.

**Vash**

in normal points lists, say 1750-1850, I can see most lists on this forum field atleast 10 meltaguns.
If you face Imperial guards veterans lists, there will be a horde of meltas. 3 meltas in each units isn't uncommon.
Att the Vendettas with 3 twin linked lascannons.
Leman russes with overcompensating cannons. There is alot that will nullify the feel no pain and cause instant death.

My Elysian IG list which is not competitive and but balanced somewhat I think, has 11 meltaguns divided into 4 units.
I still have variation on all my vet squads, grenade launchers on one, plasmas on another, and flamers on a third. Only one unit of vets has meltas.
Its one HQ choice and storm troopers who are armed with the meltas after that.
Add to the melta vet unit that they also have a demo charge. And thats just one out of three demo charges. One is on the notorious Marbo.

To answer your question... there is alot of meltaguns out there!

I really hope this list is just a joke and something to show of what you can do. Because it won't do anything really against most army lists I see on the web today. You will be outnumbered and out gunned.
I dont want to see what IG can field tank vise on 2500 pts.
What I want to see more of is serious lists on point values people actually play with. Say 1500-1850 (or what ever standard different clubs/countreys use. Sweden uses 1750)

**Eyclonus**

Vash wrote:in normal points lists, say 1750-1850, I can see most lists on this forum field atleast 10 meltaguns.
If you face Imperial guards veterans lists, there will be a horde of meltas. 3 meltas in each units isn't uncommon.
Att the Vendettas with 3 twin linked lascannons.
Leman russes with overcompensating cannons. There is alot that will nullify the feel no pain and cause instant death.

My Elysian IG list which is not competitive and but balanced somewhat I think, has 11 meltaguns divided into 4 units.
I still have variation on all my vet squads, grenade launchers on one, plasmas on another, and flamers on a third. Only one unit of vets has meltas.
Its one HQ choice and storm troopers who are armed with the meltas after that.
Add to the melta vet unit that they also have a demo charge. And thats just one out of three demo charges. One is on the notorious Marbo.

To answer your question... there is alot of meltaguns out there!

I really hope this list is just a joke and something to show of what you can do. Because it won't do anything really against most army lists I see on the web today. You will be outnumbered and out gunned.
I dont want to see what IG can field tank vise on 2500 pts.
What I want to see more of is serious lists on point values people actually play with. Say 1500-1850 (or what ever standard different clubs/countreys use. Sweden uses 1750)

I could guess that you would see the whole army just go in one lucky turn...

**Vash**

Versus an anti this paladin list yes

Versus other normal lists, not really, but fairly fast.

**Eyclonus**

Its not really possible to make a competitive Draigo list.

He costs alot, and his major benefits are taking costly deathstars as troops, 3 MCs scoring and being bastard model to take down.

On the otherhand Paladins are like complex nobs on steroids.

**Fury_00011**

So is the theroy that a grey knights army would not be competitive? Just getting back into the game and thought bought building a grey knights army.

**ductvader**

You can make most any theme for GKs competative...it's just going to win a lot more with the GK veterans and isnt as forgiving as most other MEQ armies are.

**Eyclonus**

A pure GK army can be competitive but it has needs and wants eg; It wants Nemesis Dreadknights, but it needs Riflemenz.

Funnily enough Way Of The Water Warrior applies just as much as before.

**Vash**

Fury_00011 wrote:So is the theroy that a grey knights army would not be competitive? Just getting back into the game and thought bought building a grey knights army.

Sure they can, but not this setting

Going all out one one thing isn't really competitive.

**Fury_00011**

A ok just wondering thanks

**em_en_oh_pee**

This list was not a serious army. If I did want a real Draigo list, I would opt for Dknights and big complex squads. This was just a fun low model list.

**Fury_00011**

So than does any one think draigo would be worth fielding in a GK army or is he to expensive for the return?

**em_en_oh_pee**

Fury_00011 wrote:So than does any one think draigo would be worth fielding in a GK army or is he to expensive for the return?

He is really only for fluffy lists or fun lists. This was an example of the latter. Just hilarious to think you can have so few models! However, the drawback of the Paladins is obvious and makes their insane cost not worth it. Just my thoughts on the matter, at least. Still, if you want a hyper-elite army, he is the answer.

**Vash**

Draigo lists are possible as competitive as well. The codex isn't even out yet, and those few of us who have it have not been given a chance to crunch the numbers and mix around with the possibilities.

Main thing for me with using Draigo is not going all out on Paladins. Get some other "cheap" units to combine with.
Just because it says that Draigo makes Paladins troops, doesn't mean one should only go for Paladins. It's just an extra rule.
Draigos high pts mainly comes from his elevated stats and eternal warrior rule, his save is also extremly high. He is rock hard to beat.

How ever you build a pure GK list, it will be an Elite army. Thats how the pure GKs are.