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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare





Heres an idea working off the memory of the new GK Codex an all Psyker force!

Coteaz 100

Culex Assassin 130

8 Psykers - Chimera 135

8 Psykers - Chimera 135

8 Psykers - Chimera 135

8 Psykers - Chimera 135

8 Psykers - Chimera 135

8 Psykers - Chimera 135

Dreadnought - 2 TL Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo 135

Dreadnought - 2 TL Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo 135

Dreadnought - 2 TL Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo 135

1445 so 55 Points left to spend perhaps on another inquisitor? Can you get one with a Psychichood? Can remember will have to check unless anyone else has any bright ideas on what to spend those points on.

Basic idea is the army advances in a tight formation with the Dreads sitting back giving supression fire. Then blame 6 S10 AP1 Large blasts a Turn with the assassin chucking in another 51 S5 AP1 shots for giggles

Could it work? Certainly a paper cannon and has very little survivability but man can it do a lot of damage and man would it be hilarious!

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Bear in mind that, like GK squads, Psyker squads are treated as one psyker. No +49 shots for you.

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Where are you getting that from? They only cast their power once no matter how many of them there are but I didn't see a brotherhood of psykers rule for them or anything in their rules stating they count as 1 psyker? Did I miss the brotherhood rule?


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Can anyone confirm whether the Psykers count as 1 psyker for the entire unit? I'm confident is says nothing of the sort in ethir description but do they have the Brotherhood rule? (I'm fairly confident as that rule talks about justicars and knights o fthe flame they can't have it as I think about it now).

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The Psyker entry states that the unit counts as 1 psyker for all purposes, read it.

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Does it I read it and didn't see that. I'll check it when I'm next at a store unless you have a codex on you and can quote?

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"All psykers in the same unit are treated as a single unit for the purposes of Psychic tests, etc, and use their own Leadership value, not that of any attached characters."

In other words, it's completely vague what "etc" is supposed to mean.

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Is that word for word or is there a typo? Because as is even if yoou stretch etc to the Assassin you'd still gain the full shots as it says single unit not single psyker. If that quote is correct it seems totally cut dried at this point.

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FlingitNow wrote:Is that word for word or is there a typo? Because as is even if yoou stretch etc to the Assassin you'd still gain the full shots as it says single unit not single psyker. If that quote is correct it seems totally cut dried at this point.


It's a word for word quote. So I guess it does appear as if you get a shot for each and every Psyker. 10 Psykers nearby = 12 S5 AP1 shots at BS8. Ouch.

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Yay thanks shealyr That means I can get my assault 51 (well potentially assault 54 with the 3 dreads too) Assassin and I'm not going mad. win win!

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I think all stats are capped at 10, excluding AV.

Also littlenibbler Orks aren't about armour saves.
Orks are about having too many models on the table, and wasting the other guy's time with your movement phase.
Orks are about having the toughest units on the table.
Orks are about not caring about how many bodies are left in a long winding trail until the squad is down to less than a third its starting strength.
Orks are about rolling more dice then you can count without the aid of a calculator or a pen and paper.
Orks are about having totally fething insane characters tearing gak down like Doc Grotsnik, Ghazghkull or Snikrot.
Orks are about being too fething awesome to die...
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Assault isn't IG have an assault 20 gun, GKs have an Assault 12 one and attacks are not capped at 10 either Khorne lords can get 17 with a lucky daemon weapon roll, Lelith generally has 11 against Space Marines, 13 against Tau.

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You are aware that a single perils roll is going wipe a whole squad of those psykers? It says that all members of the squad suffer the effects of a perils attacks, which is a wound with no armor saves and re-rolling successful inv. Thats going to suck.
   
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FlingitNow wrote:Is that word for word or is there a typo? Because as is even if yoou stretch etc to the Assassin you'd still gain the full shots as it says single unit not single psyker. If that quote is correct it seems totally cut dried at this point.
Cut and dry, that they count as a single psyker for "etc". "etc" meaning "and other reasons".

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Furthermore, something funny I found in the GK codex.
All units that have special rules, have a section for it. The henchmen Psykers don't have any special rules section. They do have UNITE TYPE, WARGEAR, PSYCHIC POWERS.

All other entries have Special rules and so on to describe if they are psykers, fearless, and so on.

And as ph34r says, the unit of psykers counts as a single psyker.

Combine these two facts that they are not given the special rule "psyker" and that the unit is treated as a single psyker gives us two reasons why Culexus wont get 50 something shots.

I don't think GW intends for people to make lists based around one assassin and one unit type. And if they did this, it would be FAQ:ed really fast.
Make a real army list instead of looking for loop holes.

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Cut and dry, that they count as a single psyker for "etc". "etc" meaning "and other reasons".


Single unit not single Psyker, nothing says they are a single psyker.

As it stands I've seen nothing stating they count as 1 psyker.

Make a real army list instead of looking for loop holes.


I have done look for my Purifier list elsewhere. This isn't about a loophole it is about finding a use for that particular assassin and doing something different. Otherwise I'm really struggling.

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"One psychic barrage is 'fired', regardless of the number of psykers in the squad. All psykers in the same unit are counted as a single psyker for the purpose of psychic tests, etc, and use their own leadership value, not that of any attached characters."
-Is the FULL quote, word for word from the real codex.

It doesn't really cover what "etc." means, but I'm pretty sure that makes it clear that saying all do not give a you a shot; The same as each individual Grey Knight giving you a shot instead of 1 per squad as the "Brotherhood of Psykers" rule makes it seem.

Edit: Also the lack of the special rule "psyker" anywhere also lends to this conclusion.

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FlingitNow wrote:
Cut and dry, that they count as a single psyker for "etc". "etc" meaning "and other reasons".


Single unit not single Psyker, nothing says they are a single psyker.

As it stands I've seen nothing stating they count as 1 psyker.

Make a real army list instead of looking for loop holes.


I have done look for my Purifier list elsewhere. This isn't about a loophole it is about finding a use for that particular assassin and doing something different. Otherwise I'm really struggling.



The real codex says single psyker...

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yeah i've checked it does say single psyker. But the etc makes it far frand though they lack the special rule psyker they have the name psyker so you could even argue the Assassin ONLY gains benefits from them as his rule is clearly pointing to a model type in the codex rather than a model with a generic special rule.

Until they FaQ it, as stands you still get an extra shot from each psyker within 12".

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Even if it did work, autolose versus anyone with Runes as you perils like crazy?

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FlingitNow wrote:yeah i've checked it does say single psyker. But the etc makes it far frand though they lack the special rule psyker they have the name psyker so you could even argue the Assassin ONLY gains benefits from them as his rule is clearly pointing to a model type in the codex rather than a model with a generic special rule.

Until they FaQ it, as stands you still get an extra shot from each psyker within 12".


What part of special rules dont you understand mate?
They don't have the rule "Psyker"
Thus they are not psykers mighty enough to bear that rule. Just because their Entry is called Psyker doesnt make them have Psyker rule automatically.

Just like my name is Leonardo... I am not automatically Leonardo di Caprio the actor...

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I didn't say this list was competitive or even a good idea. Just a funny concept.

Runes would be hilarious with this list. Turn 1 trundle forward KAABLAAMMO my whole army blows itself up .

I want to model rep this against Eldar now just for giggles.


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What part of special rules dont you understand mate?
They don't have the rule "Psyker"
Thus they are not psykers mighty enough to bear that rule. Just because their Entry is called Psyker doesnt make them have Psyker rule automatically.

Just like my name is Leonardo... I am not automatically Leonardo di Caprio the actor...


Are they a Pysker? Does the Assassin rule mention the special ryule Psyker in any way? It says Psyker and by definition being a Psyker means you are indeed a Psyker.

Just like your name Leonardo makes you a Leonardo. If I was giving 100 quid to every Leonardo I met would you expect that money when I met you?


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If their name was Sanctioned Psyker or Psychic Henchman or something you;d have a point but their name is Psyker which means each one is a Psyker. Just like the Klaivex power that refers to Incubi does not require any model to have an "incubi" special rule, being called Incubi is enough.

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FlingitNow wrote:I didn't say this list was competitive or even a good idea. Just a funny concept.

Runes would be hilarious with this list. Turn 1 trundle forward KAABLAAMMO my whole army blows itself up .

I want to model rep this against Eldar now just for giggles.


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What part of special rules dont you understand mate?
They don't have the rule "Psyker"
Thus they are not psykers mighty enough to bear that rule. Just because their Entry is called Psyker doesnt make them have Psyker rule automatically.

Just like my name is Leonardo... I am not automatically Leonardo di Caprio the actor...


Are they a Pysker? Does the Assassin rule mention the special ryule Psyker in any way? It says Psyker and by definition being a Psyker means you are indeed a Psyker.

Just like your name Leonardo makes you a Leonardo. If I was giving 100 quid to every Leonardo I met would you expect that money when I met you?


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If their name was Sanctioned Psyker or Psychic Henchman or something you;d have a point but their name is Psyker which means each one is a Psyker. Just like the Klaivex power that refers to Incubi does not require any model to have an "incubi" special rule, being called Incubi is enough.


Mate we are trying to tell you that this isnt something you should get your hopes up on.
But then again your interpretation might be right. I doubt it though, and so does many others in here think. But in the end its up to you and your opponent to agree on what right on this issue. Dont make it a given rule when you face your opponents. There are things that are sometimes unexplained in new codexes, some are more complex than others.

Do as you please, its not like its any fun to play against or play really.
When you make a list, ask your self, would you like to face this list? Would you scream unfare etc?
Keeping it to a friendly game rather than abusing loop holes and "best of the best" gives a more enjoyable game in the end. I rather lose a game while having fun, than winning by crushing my opponent without him having a slightest chance.
Of course... winning is always a tab bit more fun

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