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Just on the off chance that someone in power might deign to look at the peopel who acctually PLAY the game...

I though i woudl start the poll to end all polls.




Should the new Necrons have WBB (or a tweaked version) or just chuck it in for FNP?

Commence arguements!!!

WBB is rather unique, they should just keep it. If they give necrons FNP because of their robot theme, they would need to do the same to all robot esque units.

WBB has more flavor to it. FNP is more straight forward. I go for flavor in this case.

Got a few votes going on here. If people could leave their reasoning for their choice? Why do these 2 people favour FNP over WBB?


One request: no arguements, there are at least 4 necron threads going on with wishlistign and peopel pokign holes in each others ideas and theories. If we could keep this thread purely to people stating their opinion without getting flamed, that would be great.

A mixture of the two, traditional WBB as standard, but say having a Tomb Spyder within 12" of a Necron unit gives them a 5+ FNP as well. Or something along those lines.

I'm sorry, but I hope they follow the fluff and keep WBB...as much as I hate it, it makes the most sense

We aint morons, we can handle a little complexity with some kind of tweaked WBB.
FNP is so overused at this stage so I'd rather avoid it.

WBB is very Necron...but I hope they change it so it's a little different since it is so similar to FNP.

WBB variation that gives them FnP.. definitely. But anyone who reads my threads will already know about that..

Edit: Justification time!

FnP because it would represent whether or not they can manage to self repair all of the damage they sustain.. so the more damage they take, the more unlikely it is they will be able to self-repair (obviously!). Therefore, it makes sense. WBB is just silly.

Everyone and their great-aunts has FNP! Time to stop the creep.

Besides, WBB is cool. It was entertaining watch a game of two friends of mine (SW vs. Necrons) and the SW player having fits as pretty much everything he killed got back on the board.

WBB is far cooler. Also fluffier, and it gives the Necrons something unique. There is an easy way to make it easy and straightforward, I'm sure. Besides, it keeps Res Orbs useful (even though the entire codex is getting redone).

While I understand many players want to keep WBB if for nothing else than the thematics of standing dead models back up, I think from a gameplay perspective and in terms of simplicity, FNP is the way to go. It's easy, simple, everyone knows it, and when you get right down to it does the same thing in a different way.

I think in the end it will also be beneficial to Necrons, as losing 4 necrons in a round of combat that may get back up still means you've lost 4 for combat resolution and lose out on their attacks, whereas FNP will on average save 2, meaning you only lose 2 for combat resolution and get more attacks back.

We'll Be Back is fun and thematic, but FNP accomplishes the same end goal while doing it in a less confusing manner and more beneficial to the Necron player. Res Orbs could be modified to simply allow FNP against all attacks.

I'd rather see the FNP come in, but as has been remarked above, it can be altered by items such as the res-orb or other things they may create. But WBB as it stands right now is beyond ridiculous, even as fluff-say 9 out of 10 necron warriors are melted by plasma guns, but that one who is left gives off enough of his body to transfer into the melted metal of the "dead" ones and turns the metal back into 0-9 more necrons. Simplify it to that example and WBB becomes moronic in every way possible. If they made it suffer the same effects as FNP (cannot recover from AP1 or 2 weapons/power weapons) instead of just based on double strength/power weapons but still takes place in the necron-player's turn, that would be okay too. But without a tweak like that, it's an idiotic rule that needs change.

We already have two plague marine armies, plague marines and blood angels. we don't need a third plague marine army.

Keep WBB because it makes the necron army who it is on the table top.

Keep WBB. It's different and we honest to god don't need to throw FNP around anymore. Beside, just because it's similar to FNP now doesn't mean it can't change to be more unique.

Tweak WBB so it makes more sense, tossing in FNP would just be lazy.

Also, Necrons are movie Terminators. We'll Be Back is pretty essential to their inspiration.

Replace We'll Be Back's rules with something that's similar to Invocation of Nehek from Fantasy.

Done.

Fafnir wrote:Replace We'll Be Back's rules with something that's similar to Invocation of Nehek from Fantasy.

Done.

I didn't even think about adding in fantasy rules. This is perfect. I assume you want to make it a psychic test, and since one of the necron rumors involves adding in psychic abilities...perfect

WBB is vastly superior to FNP, why would anyone want to change to that?

It's like asking if you'd rather have a Storm Bolter or a Bolter.

Fafnir wrote:Replace We'll Be Back's rules with something that's similar to Invocation of Nehek from Fantasy.

Done.

Can you explain that to us non-fantasy players?

DarknessEternal wrote:WBB is vastly superior to FNP, why would anyone want to change to that?

It's like asking if you'd rather have a Storm Bolter or a Bolter.

How so?

FNP is for boring people who lack and creativity =)

Gavo wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Replace We'll Be Back's rules with something that's similar to Invocation of Nehek from Fantasy.

Done.

Can you explain that to us non-fantasy players?

Leadership test (instead of fantasy's spell casting) to raise D6 models in a unit within 12" up to the starting amount. Could be used multiple times per turn in fantasy, would probably have a 2-3x limit in a turn in 40k. Would work, be fluffy, and would make Necron Lords have more of an impact on units around them. Fafnir's idea is a good one.

To me WBB is the thing that makes Necrons what they are. The big thing abut necrons is not how they ignore wounds they're given on a 4+, but because after they die, and they're literately a skeleton laying on the ground, they reform there bodies and come back to life.

I'd like to see a tweaked version where they come back at the end of each phase, but before any morale test is given to them. This way even though necrons die and can't attack from CC, the time it takes for them to reform means they can't attack, but they're still alive so they won't take as big of a leadership penalty. this seems like a fair trade in exchange for almost every necron unit having it.

Vaktathi wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:WBB is vastly superior to FNP, why would anyone want to change to that?

It's like asking if you'd rather have a Storm Bolter or a Bolter.

How so?

WBB works against AP 1 and AP 2 shooting.

It also makes potential wounds disappear since you can't get any more tipped over, whereas FNP makes you take every wound possible.

I really like WBB.

There's a fine line between ignoring wounds and being killed by that wound and coming back to life afterward.

timetowaste85 wrote:

Gavo wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Replace We'll Be Back's rules with something that's similar to Invocation of Nehek from Fantasy.

Done.

Can you explain that to us non-fantasy players?

Leadership test (instead of fantasy's spell casting) to raise D6 models in a unit within 12" up to the starting amount. Could be used multiple times per turn in fantasy, would probably have a 2-3x limit in a turn in 40k. Would work, be fluffy, and would make Necron Lords have more of an impact on units around them. Fafnir's idea is a good one.

THIS. +1.

I like this idea A LOT. What would you rather have? One of your best units wading in to the enemy or running back and forth amongst your downed troops rez'ing them? Would make the Dawn of War converts jump into the tabletop version easier as this is what you do in the game, and would make tactics for Necron players very unique.

Feel No Pain is simply more simplistic and easy to work with. HOWEVER, I would also throw in stubborn for Necron units as combat resolutions tend to really, really hurt them.

DarknessEternal wrote:
WBB works against AP 1 and AP 2 shooting.

It also makes potential wounds disappear since you can't get any more tipped over, whereas FNP makes you take every wound possible.

With FNP however you get your extra "4+" immediately, meaning fewer morale tests, fewer CC resolution penalties, and more attacks back.

Many of these differences are relatively minor as well, exactly the sort of thing that may change between editions (e.g. WBB working against AP1/2 wounds, as FNP also worked against AP1/2 wounds in 3E and 4E)

I'd like to see an "Immune to Morale" atribute. Keep the 25% detriment, but make the Necrons DIFFERENT.