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The humble lasgun (or sometimes the autogun...) is responsible for the most deaths in the galaxy. I propose that it be permanently branded "da most killy gun" of all time. Any objections?

It's like the AK-47 of the 41st millenium.

There is more than one pattern of Lasgun. I would guess that the most common pattern would hold the title as the most killy type in the galaxy simply by sheer weight of numbers. ***Edit*** I think our winner may be the M35 M-Galaxy standard pattern Lasgun.

There are two other awards categories of solder carried guns that come to mind:

The most killy type by ratio of numbers manufactured to total number of kills. I would like to nominate the Terminator Assault Cannon.

Most killy, single, specific gun. Perhaps Khârn's plasma pistol, just because Khârn has been a very a busy boy for a very long time.

If we label the infantry-portable semiautomatic lasgun as a single unit, then it probably beats out the Assault Cannon for production:effectiveness. Keep in mind that when a Guardsmen dies, his lasgun is passed on.

DA ORKS HAZ SOMFIN' TO SAY 'BOUT 'DIS.

OUR SHOOTAS BEEN SHOOTIN YOUS DEAD LONGER!

DAT LAS THINGY GOT NOTTIN' ON OUR SHOOTAZ

Stubby wrote:DA ORKS HAZ SOMFIN' TO SAY 'BOUT 'DIS.

OUR SHOOTAS BEEN SHOOTIN YOUS DEAD LONGER!

DAT LAS THINGY GOT NOTTIN' ON OUR SHOOTAZ

Without a doubt the Orky Shootaz overall make the most noise and fire many, many rounds. The ratio of those rounds that find their way into meat may not be all that great though.

***Edit*** When the awards for most killy melee weapon in the galaxy are handed out I have little doubt that the Okry Choppa will be at the very top of the list.


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Owain wrote:If we label the infantry-portable semiautomatic lasgun as a single unit, then it probably beats out the Assault Cannon for production:effectiveness. Keep in mind that when a Guardsmen dies, his lasgun is passed on.

I am sorry, I read and re-read the above and it looks like you implying that it is not expected practice for SM chapter serfs to do the same for SM arms, when practical. That would be news to me and I would need to re-evaluate my (very limited) memory and mental faculties.

^While this is indeed true, there are a LOT of Lasguns. Out of a million space marines, an average of 10% of each chapter(1st Companies) are eligible to wear Terminator Armor. There aren't enough Terminator suits for every Battle Brother who bears Terminator Armor, and there's not an Assault Cannon on every suit of Terminator armor.

Conversely, there are billions of soldiers in the Imperial Guard, each of whom is trained to operate a lasgun effectively. Even tank crews and support personnel are expected to be able to operate a lascarbine in an emergency.

^Ah, I was not clear enough above, sorry. What I was trying to say is that I see three different categories, total # of kills by type, ratio of kills to # manufactured and total # killed by a single, specific gun.

We seem to agree that the Lasgun to hold the title for total # killed by type.

I contend that on average each Assault Cannon manufactured will kill more # than any other gun manufactured, on average.

/gak, I think I need to take more remedial written communication classes.

When it comes to most kills per gun manufactured, I think that the Assault Cannon, despite being mounted on a Terminator, still deserves to be relegated to the running for most powerful *cannon*. With its high rate-of-fire, it should be competing with tanks.

^Upon reflection, I agree. The Assault Cannon is not considered man portable. If AC is valid for this category than dreadnought and even titan weaponry may creep in. I hereby withdraw my nomination of this gun.


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I would like to nominate the Heavy Bolter for the Da Most Killy sub-category of Most killy Per Unit Manufactured. As always, I welcome any objections to this nomination and any other nominations anyone may have.

And don't forget the plasma gun for a gold mark in the category "most operator fatalities".

Spetulhu wrote:And don't forget the plasma gun for a gold mark in the category "most operator fatalities".

The envelope opening for the Most Killy Gun - Operator Killed category will be a nail-biter.

For this category I would like to put forward the Shokk Attack Gun.

UselessSage wrote:^Upon reflection, I agree. The Assault Cannon is not considered man portable. If AC is valid for this category than dreadnought and even titan weaponry may creep in. I hereby withdraw my nomination of this gun.


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I would like to nominate the Heavy Bolter for the Da Most Killy sub-category of Most killy Per Unit Manufactured. As always, I welcome any objections to this nomination and any other nominations anyone may have.

Are you taking into account that more heavy bolters are mounted on tanks or tripods than carried by Devastators, chief?

Also, I just watched an 80,000pt Apoc batrep in which a squad of Guardsmen took away four of a Warlord titan's structure points... with their lasguns. What?

Owain wrote:

UselessSage wrote:^Upon reflection, I agree. The Assault Cannon is not considered man portable. If AC is valid for this category than dreadnought and even titan weaponry may creep in. I hereby withdraw my nomination of this gun.


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I would like to nominate the Heavy Bolter for the Da Most Killy sub-category of Most killy Per Unit Manufactured. As always, I welcome any objections to this nomination and any other nominations anyone may have.

Are you taking into account that more heavy bolters are mounted on tanks or tripods than carried by Devastators, chief?

Just the "Man-portable" patterns. Fair enough?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Heavy_bolter

'Also, I just watched an 80,000pt Apoc batrep in which a squad of Guardsmen took away four of a Warlord titan's structure points... with their lasguns. What? '

They crossed the streams

Enoughlasers on the same point = melted point, but i have to admit that those Guardsmen need a promotion, probably posthumously

it was one single guardsman with a melta, he was the only one to hurt the titan

Small arms aren't that killy.

The actual battlefield statistics are 1000 bullets fired for every person actually killed by small arms fire. The game does a poor job representing this.

On the other hand, IG face a lot of orks in fluff, and I'm not sure orks have the sense necessary to duck when being shot at, that might make it a bit more useful.

The shoota may be a competitor here, given how prevalent the Orks are in the galaxy and how wherever they are they're fightinz.

Keep in mind that the furthest Imperial probes sent into the wilderness of unexplored space usually end up encountering Orks. If there's no ummies to fight then they'll just fight each other.

Orks 'az bin killin' stuff since da Ctan went beddybye..

Orks are one of the oldest races out there, and certainly the most widespread in the galaxy. I'd say the shoota, or the slugga (given that a lot of it's use ias as a club in cc).

If you include the multiverse i'd say the Nid Fleshborer might be a contender though

Requia wrote:Small arms aren't that killy.

The actual battlefield statistics are 1000 bullets fired for every person actually killed by small arms fire. The game does a poor job representing this.

On the other hand, IG face a lot of orks in fluff, and I'm not sure orks have the sense necessary to duck when being shot at, that might make it a bit more useful.

Depending on the conflict it can get to tens or even hundreds of thousands of small arms rounds expended per kill. From WWI to Korea you could expect 50-70% of total casualties to come from artillery fire.

While we can all agree that artillery fire is the most lethal overall, that is not the competition.

This contest, or at least this portion of this contest, is about small arms.

Once we've hammered out all of the details regarding small arms, we can argue about Titans and Basilisks and Stompas with all the giant explosions that accompany them.

So, currently the categories are (for small arms, not tanks/artillery, and not for melee weapons):
1) Most lethal gun per number of kills overall.
2) Most lethal gun per number of shots fired.
3) Most lethal gun per number of individual guns produced.
4) Most lethal gun, specifically (Kharn's pistol, Horus' Storm Bolter, etc.)
5) Most lethal gun to the user him/her self.

here's one for (5)- Kustom Mega Blasta

When plasma weapons backfire these days you still get your armour save. Yay!

Ork armour is 6+...

UmbrellaLegion wrote:While we can all agree that artillery fire is the most lethal overall, that is not the competition.

This contest, or at least this portion of this contest, is about small arms.

Once we've hammered out all of the details regarding small arms, we can argue about Titans and Basilisks and Stompas with all the giant explosions that accompany them.

So, currently the categories are (for small arms, not tanks/artillery, and not for melee weapons):
1) Most lethal gun per number of kills overall.
2) Most lethal gun per number of shots fired.
3) Most lethal gun per number of individual guns produced.
4) Most lethal gun, specifically (Kharn's pistol, Horus' Storm Bolter, etc.)
5) Most lethal gun to the user him/her self.

Nobody mentioned 'most killy gun' being limited to small arms.

And now they have

1) Estamating this category may be function of:

Total units produced. (Orky Shootas may win here.)
Average length of service of a typical unit. (Necron win here.)
Frequency of deployment. (Ork or IG?)
Combined overall effectiveness of the typacle unit and user. ( Orks lose this one.)

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2) Exitus Rifle. Unless someone can point out a troop portable gun that typically kills > 1 per round.


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Ascalam wrote:Orks 'az bin killin' stuff since da Ctan went beddybye..

Orks are one of the oldest races out there, and certainly the most widespread in the galaxy. I'd say the shoota, or the slugga (given that a lot of it's use ias as a club in cc).

If you include the multiverse i'd say the Nid Fleshborer might be a contender though

Are the majority Orks feral? Perhaps only building up their Teknologies (perhaps including Shootaz) with the prospect of a Waaaaagh! or fighting with non-Orks.

The subject is "da galaxy". In other galaxies the mode of choice love, not war. That's what the Nids are running away from. In a few millennia, the title may well fall to a bug-gun.

Ascalam wrote:Orks 'az bin killin' stuff since da Ctan went beddybye..

Orks are one of the oldest races out there, and certainly the most widespread in the galaxy. I'd say the shoota, or the slugga (given that a lot of it's use ias as a club in cc).

If you include the multiverse i'd say the Nid Fleshborer might be a contender though

That assumes it wasn't a recent evolution, and given the vast possibilities of the nids, I'd say that it'd be hard to state the fleshborer has always been there.

If we are are talking 40k overall lets not forget exterminatus. Surely thats pretty killy lol.

taylor048 wrote:If we are are talking 40k overall lets not forget exterminatus. Surely thats pretty killy lol.

While I agree that the Exterminatus is killy, it's not a small arm or piece of artillery. It's not a weapon. It's an imperial order. It's a word. A word that ends worlds, granted, but the "Waagh!" is another word, and it has ended far more worlds.

I want an Exterminatus Pistol

It can stick out a little flag with 'Exterminatus' written on it, with a spy-sat constantly watching the owner

Here's a set of categories based on UmbrellaLegion's post. Let's do it!

1) Most kills overall:
The lasgun. Considering its incredibly wide use in all Imperial military organization, lasguns have killed trillions.
2) Best shot to kill ratio:
In terms of man-portable weapons, I'm tempted to call it the plasma cannon.
3) Best individual performace:
The bolter. Wherever you see it, it's in the hands of elite soldiers and causing untold carnage.
4) Most lethal individual weapon:
Must be pretty old. Perhaps the Gauntlets of Ultramar?
5) Most lethal gun to the user him/her self.
Anything possessed.