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So for a long time now I been thinking of making a inquisitor model with a retune, and make it all fluff happy and such.

Inquisitors in there own right appeal to me a lot before this game i played a lot of DnD and such. I find the closest thing to "making your own unit/hero" you can get in WH40k terms.
Now to represent my process of character creation and such I had to think of what branch of Inquisition that best represented my ideas. I wanted to go with Xeno's but since there is no real codex representing them they were out of the question for now. So it was a face off between the things I liked between witch hunters and daemon hunters.

I like the layout of witch hunters with the ally rules and such. But the new gray knights codex seem will benefit inquisitors the most with modern gear/rules

So my questions are.

for the new codex, I'm I pretty much screwed to fielding nothing but grey knights with a inquisitor?

and can the witch hunter codex, still be decent and not to outdated?

If you select Coteaz for your HQ, Inquisitorial units become troops. And while you only have those as your sole "Inquisitorial" units, They are still very flexible and can fill a variety of roles. The new book also gives you three flavours of Inquisitors, so your also free to customize another character to fit your needs. And finally you always have the Officio Assassinorium Operatives (spelling?), with the vindicare being especially deadly in this respect (he can effectively destroy an eldar farseer in 2 turns, then go and blow up a land raider with a single shot).

Personally though, with Jokaeros being basically cheap oblits, We might see inquisitor spam more than GKs, especially given how expensive and impractical Draigowing is turning out to be. Normal GKwing might also turn out to be less than desireable competitively.

DakkaDakka wrote:

It wouldnt be so bad if Karamazov and Valeria unlocked Henchmen as troops, since then you can legally field an Inquisitorial army of any Ordo (and it made sense, since these more famous inquisitors would warrent a whole militia force, while other inquisitors would probably do better in small squads).

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:It wouldnt be so bad if Karamazov and Valeria unlocked Henchmen as troops, since then you can legally field an Inquisitorial army of any Ordo (and it made sense, since these more famous inquisitors would warrent a whole militia force, while other inquisitors would probably do better in small squads).

With Coteaz unlocking Henchmen as troops makes sense. He's always had a lil' bit in his fluff about how he's abnormal amongst the Inquisition since he has so many followers at his beck and call.

I'm slightly skeptical however to assume that taking Inquisitors won't allow Henchmen to count as Troops.

Kanluwen wrote:
I'm slightly skeptical however to assume that taking Inquisitors won't allow Henchmen to count as Troops.

They don't.

Well, that's silly then.

And just goes to show that the Inquisition is something that should have either been left out of this book(or the game period) or rolled into Guard/Marines.

At least Coteaz isnt that bad (unlike the polarizing Castellan Crowe. Not gonna argue if he's good or bad, but people seem to be either in the camp of "he's horrible" or "He's awesome"). But he really throws a wrench into the customization part of an Inquisitorial army. At least the Henchmens somewhat makes up for this with a wide selection.

Kanluwen wrote:Well, that's silly then.
And just goes to show that the Inquisition is something that should have either been left out of this book(or the game period) or rolled into Guard/Marines.

Henchmen are pretty much honour guard for the Inquisitors - unless you have coteaz.

Don't get me wrong, I love grey knights. But the way the new codex is turning out it seems there getting rid of the "elite few" status of them. Also does anybody know if storm troopers are still a choice?

xlightscreen wrote:Don't get me wrong, I love grey knights. But the way the new codex is turning out it seems there getting rid of the "elite few" status of them. Also does anybody know if storm troopers are still a choice?

Nope, but Warrior Henchmen with Carapace and lasguns are.

Really wish proper Inquisitorial Stormtroopers were troop choices. It might have stopped Henchmen spam. But I'm just gonna house rule them as an addition to the codex; for balance reasons. The new codex is slightly better for customisation than the older Inquisition codexes; but could have done more. I agree that all the big Inquisitors should have allowed henchmen as troops.

Hopefully by the time they've updated Codex: Sisters of Battle; we'll get updated Inquisition forces in it (a new troop choice, vehicle choice etc)

DakkaDakka wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:It wouldnt be so bad if Karamazov and Valeria unlocked Henchmen as troops, since then you can legally field an Inquisitorial army of any Ordo (and it made sense, since these more famous inquisitors would warrent a whole militia force, while other inquisitors would probably do better in small squads).

It would make sense since Karamazov had 30,000 followers in WH codex.

Che-Vito wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Really wish proper Inquisitorial Stormtroopers were troop choices. It might have stopped Henchmen spam. But I'm just gonna house rule them as an addition to the codex; for balance reasons. The new codex is slightly better for customisation than the older Inquisition codexes; but could have done more. I agree that all the big Inquisitors should have allowed henchmen as troops.

Hopefully by the time they've updated Codex: Sisters of Battle; we'll get updated Inquisition forces in it (a new troop choice, vehicle choice etc)

You're kidding right? Daemonhunter Inquisitor Lords, had access to about every combination under the sky, with Inquisitors having only a few less choices.

The problem is that codex wasn't good for Ordo Xenos Inquisitors and was useless for making an Ordo Xenos army. (Lacked Xenos-specific equipment for Inquisitors and lack Jokaero)

DakkaDakka wrote:

No allies rules. Those were way too open for abuse.

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, Hardened Veteran squads from the Guard Codex, a 'basic' Chamber Militant squad for each Ordo, maybe a few 'common' vehicles would have done it best--and without the stupidity of the Allies rules.

I don't mind the dreadknight, the storm raven seems out of place for grey knights considering they require more "traditional" means of banishing daemons. But I simply refuse to have nothing but a Silver colored space marine army with different rules.

Che-Vito wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Really wish proper Inquisitorial Stormtroopers were troop choices. It might have stopped Henchmen spam. But I'm just gonna house rule them as an addition to the codex; for balance reasons. The new codex is slightly better for customisation than the older Inquisition codexes; but could have done more. I agree that all the big Inquisitors should have allowed henchmen as troops.

Hopefully by the time they've updated Codex: Sisters of Battle; we'll get updated Inquisition forces in it (a new troop choice, vehicle choice etc)

You're kidding right? Daemonhunter Inquisitor Lords, had access to about every combination under the sky, with Inquisitors having only a few less choices.

Indeed, the new GK Inquisitors, of any Ordo, lacks options. Case in point, They should be on par, if not surpassing, the Space Wolves' Wolf Lord in terms of equipment (granted, half those equipment are basically a copypasta job to accomodate Terminator armor, but Inquisitors still should have more). At least Inquisitors are cheap.

DakkaDakka wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:No allies rules. Those were way too open for abuse.

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, Hardened Veteran squads from the Guard Codex, a 'basic' Chamber Militant squad for each Ordo, maybe a few 'common' vehicles would have done it best--and without the stupidity of the Allies rules.

It was broken to be able to take Infantry Platoons, a single Leman Russ, Sentinels, Rough Riders, and a few other options, in 5e?
They weren't particularly open to abuse, and in 5e, all they would need to do is provide the same limits for allies:

IG:
Infantry Platoons
1 LR Variant squadron
Rough Riders
0-1 Sentinel

SM:
Tactical Squad
0-2 Scout Squads
0-1 Scout Bikers
0-1 SM Bikers

Tada! Not broken, and nothing too crazy.

You're forgetting the flipside of those allies rules.

The Inquisitor Lord+psykers in the midst of an Imperial Guard army was not very nice.


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And for that matter:
It's silly. There's no need for you to have to use units from another Codex.

Just put some options in the Inquisition book and be done with it. None of this Allies crap.

It's unnecessary, and in many cases completely unfluffy.

It was more or less ink saving on GW's Part, and making you buy two or three codexes just to use one army. For once I agree with Kan, there's no reason why SM units and IG units couldnt be put in a dedicated Inquisitorial book. We have Harlequins, and god knows how many versions of Predators and land speeders we've already got. One more book, where it's actually fluffy to have cross-codex choices, wouldnt have hurt that much.

Kanluwen wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:No allies rules. Those were way too open for abuse.

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, Hardened Veteran squads from the Guard Codex, a 'basic' Chamber Militant squad for each Ordo, maybe a few 'common' vehicles would have done it best--and without the stupidity of the Allies rules.

It was broken to be able to take Infantry Platoons, a single Leman Russ, Sentinels, Rough Riders, and a few other options, in 5e?
They weren't particularly open to abuse, and in 5e, all they would need to do is provide the same limits for allies:

IG:
Infantry Platoons
1 LR Variant squadron
Rough Riders
0-1 Sentinel

SM:
Tactical Squad
0-2 Scout Squads
0-1 Scout Bikers
0-1 SM Bikers

Tada! Not broken, and nothing too crazy.

You're forgetting the flipside of those allies rules.

The Inquisitor Lord+psykers in the midst of an Imperial Guard army was not very nice.


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And for that matter:
It's silly. There's no need for you to have to use units from another Codex.

Just put some options in the Inquisition book and be done with it. None of this Allies crap.

It's unnecessary, and in many cases completely unfluffy.

At the very least add the Leman Russ to Codex: Inquisition. Inquisition armies have always been really needing Tank support; and not just APCs.

I say: Infantry Platoon and the Leman Russ to it. That will be enough to give the feel of a requested Imperial Guard army.

No tanks. You get air support, not armor.

Don't like it? Play an army that actually has tanks rather than trying to have it all.

Kanluwen wrote:It's unnecessary, and in many cases completely unfluffy.

How is it unfluffy to have inquisitor forces working with other IoM forces?

BluntmanDC wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's unnecessary, and in many cases completely unfluffy.

How is it unfluffy to have inquisitor forces working with other IoM forces?

Way to pull it out of context.
Inquisitors don't immediately run to the nearest armoured regiment and say "Give me all your tanks and some meatshields, we're going after a few Eldar/Cultists/Heretics!".

They take what is necessary for the mission; which will almost always be something that allows them and their team to get in, accomplish their mission, and get the hell out of Dodge after they've stirred up a crapstorm.

By the time something's gotten to the point armoured regiments are deployed; the Inquisition's not going to be in control. The Imperial Guard's command echelons(many of whom will have as much political clout and support as your average Inquisitor would have) will be.

The Inquisitor can step in and try to yank control of the theater from the Guard High Command--but that would be idiotic and vain since the Guard actually know how to fight a war, not skulk behind the scenes like the Inquisition.

Not ever inquisitor is a secret detective or batman, there are inquisitors that are fighters and do get down to the nitty gritty of taking a sigil covered hammer and smashing a cultures head in

BluntmanDC wrote:Not ever inquisitor is a secret detective or batman...

Now I have the urge to convert a Dark Knight Inquisitor....

BluntmanDC wrote:Not ever inquisitor is a secret detective or batman, there are inquisitors that are fighters and do get down to the nitty gritty of taking a sigil covered hammer and smashing a cultures head in

How many Cultist uprisings has Inquisitor Jaq Draco led requisitioned IG armies against? I can never remember; he tells of many.

The Inquisition is rarely as behind-the-scenes as people think.

Mr Hyena wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:Not ever inquisitor is a secret detective or batman, there are inquisitors that are fighters and do get down to the nitty gritty of taking a sigil covered hammer and smashing a cultures head in

How many Cultist uprisings has Inquisitor Jaq Draco led requisitioned IG armies against? I can never remember; he tells of many.

The Inquisition is rarely as behind-the-scenes as people think.

And it's far more rarely, if ever, "smash your faces in" as people insist.

P.S.--"Inquisition Wars" isn't canon anymore. GW's own admission has it as such. It's a "Heretic Tome", same as 'Space Marine' by Ian Watson.