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Hi folks.

Here is my 1750pts Footslogging Eldar list for an upcoming tournament.

HQ
Eldrad - You know his cost
Avatar - You know his cost

Elites
8 Harlequins inc shadowseer all with kisses (cover for the wraithguard) - 206

Troops
10 wraithguard - 350
10 Dire Avengers inc Exarch + 2 x shuricats - 137
10 Guardians + Bright Lance + Warlock + Embolden + Singing Spear + Embolden = 143
10 Guardians + Bright Lance + Warlock + Embolden + Singing Spear + Embolden = 143

Heavy Support
3 War Walkers + 6 Scatter Lasers = 180
1 Wraithlord + EML + Wraithsword = 125
1 Wraithlord + Wraithsword = 100

Total = 1749

I know that that some folk may think I'm crazy for taking Wraithguard however please let me explain.

For Objective based missions (at least two of them) they will be part of the Eldar phalanx. As will the Avatar, WL and DA. There will be a 6" gap between each rank.

The Harlies will be out in front strung out with 2" spacing between them. This will Grant the Wraithguard a 4+ cover save (which will be fortuned as will the Avatar be due to Eldrad being in the Wraithguard unit). The DA will bring up the rear of the phalanx. This will give me two scoring units moving forward for objective grabbing.

As I get closer to the opposition and in range of scary rapid fire or flamer weapons the harlies will melt back through the WG unit, who will advance and shoot the opposition. Eldrad will also join the Harlies at this point. Unless the enemy can cut their way through all the T6W with a 3+ rerollable save. This will lock the enemy in place for the Harlies to counter charge. If the Avatar is still alive by this point, he can also join in as can the WL who will be hiding behind the Avatar (who will give him a cover save).

The other WL will hang back with the 2 Guardian squads to provide support in case anyone threatens my objectives and plink away with his EML.

In KP missions the inclusion of a WG unit should only help my army.

So what do you think?

Am I crazy or what?

Please remember, if you have ideas to improve this list that everything has to be on foot - no skimmers.

Not an eldar player as such, but those harlies wont see the 2nd turn.
If you want serious firepower i would drop both wraithlords and the harlies and run 9 walkers.
That gives you 71 points to play about with.
Might be worth going with EML's on 1 unit of walkers though.


All in all though, eldar arent really ideal in a firefight if they have no speed or armour.

@ Jack

The harlequins do have a shadowseer so I don't understand how they will not survive past turn 1.

9 Walkers would be great however it would leave me with little to no assault capability. At 1750 the Avatar alone will not cut it for assault.
The wraithguard may survive for a turn in assault but not much longer against a good dedicated assault unit.

the wraithguard aren't troops unless you buy the shadowseer as well. Conceal is well worth the purchase anyway, as big E lets you re roll those to give you some hope against battle cannons, etc.

So you need to figure out how you are paying for that 41 point warlock...

you'll probably want conceal on the Guardians as well. Leadership isn't really an issue with the Avatar, and Conceal at least puts dice in your hands...

Lance on defenders are also a waste, I'd grab Missile Launchers, you still have an s8 shot for tanks, and you get the blast template (which helps to mitigate the bs3 blues)

Stick your lances on the Lords, that way you can take advantage of bs4.

other then that it seems par for the wraithwall course at that point level. So you'll just have to toss stuff around to try to find the points you need, and it should be fine.

Well, the list lacks long-range anti-tank with just 2 brightlances that are BS3 but possibly guided.
Anyway, its semi-competitive.

akaean wrote:the wraithguard aren't troops unless you buy the shadowseer as well. Conceal is well worth the purchase anyway, as big E lets you re roll those to give you some hope against battle cannons, etc.

So you need to figure out how you are paying for that 41 point warlock...

you'll probably want conceal on the Guardians as well. Leadership isn't really an issue with the Avatar, and Conceal at least puts dice in your hands...

Lance on defenders are also a waste, I'd grab Missile Launchers, you still have an s8 shot for tanks, and you get the blast template (which helps to mitigate the bs3 blues)

Stick your lances on the Lords, that way you can take advantage of bs4.

other then that it seems par for the wraithwall course at that point level. So you'll just have to toss stuff around to try to find the points you need, and it should be fine.

Thanks for the input akaean. Missed that about the warlock. I'll need to see where I can get the points from. I think I'll drop some DA's to squeeze him in. I may even add embolden to him (as the Harlies will grant them a cover save anyway) to ensure that Eldrad has a re-roll on casting his powers every turn he's with them as if his fortune fails even for one turn it's going to hurt.

I used to run all my guardian squads with EML however I have learned over time that they just don't cut it against against AV13 & 14 which I seem to find myself coming up against quite a lot. The lances are also there as a deterrent as higher armour will be wary of coming in to their range (fear factor).

Embolden suits the Guardians with the lances as they will be hanging back in cover out with the Avatars fearless bubble.

One of the WL will be pretty much hoofing it up the board with the Avatar so I feel that any gun on him will be a waste the other will be as far back as possible babysitting the guardian squads hence why the extra range of EML will come in handy.

@ wuestenfux - I'm hoping the close range anti tank punch of the WG, Avatar and sword lord will help me out with this weakness. What would you add to compensate?

Wraithguard as troops make for great objective campers. The T6 means that all small arms fire is very ineffective and heavy weapons will be required to kill them, and they wills need to be killed to a model as they are fearless.

Their weakness is assault. A squad of nob bikers with a few PKs would shift it right off the board. In a Mechdar list, this would not work, as the bikes could just zip past all the tanks. In a footdar list, they would need to pass the avatar and crew to get to them.

That being said, your paying a mint for troops that are hard to shift, 10 guardians with a bright lance in cover and embolden warlock do the job almost as well for 1/3 the cost, and have a gun they can fire.

Also, I think that a seer council on foot would do better than the harliquins. Eldrad can cast 2 fortunes a turn, one on the seers and one on the avatar. A 75% save will help from any fire they get. Your weakest point is massive bolter fire, but that's the case with any real eldar footdar solution.
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Finally, in a world of FNP marines, dire avengers really start to lose luster. I would be more tempted to toss down 30 fire dragons, infiltrating scorpions, or banshees. Dragons would scare anybody, and if screened with a seer council may even get to a fight.

I'm hoping that the WG shooting and CC punch from the harlies WL and Avatar will help deal with FNP.

I had 72 guided scatter laser shots over three turns drop a grand total of 3 FNP marines at a comp I was at on Sat.

A seer council on foot - I believe will, get shot up a lot more than the Harlies even with fortune.

Brother Bartius wrote:Hi folks.

Here is my 1750pts Footslogging Eldar list for an upcoming tournament.

As a foot eldar player here are my thoughts...

HQ
Eldrad - You know his cost
Avatar - You know his cost

The best HQs available for a foot eldar list.

Elites
8 Harlequins inc shadowseer all with kisses (cover for the wraithguard) - 206

I run a troupe leader with a power weapon, but what you have is fine. I like the power weapon for things like terminators and Blood Angels with FNP because they are power weapons attacks that I can count on. If you charge something you will do only 3.5 rends (about 5 with doom) so I like the reliability of the troupe leader's power weapon. But your tactic of running them in front of your wraithguard will be a major problem. Harlequins are very fragile, and once they lose some numbers are very feeble in assault so you need to protect them. A rhino racing up and dumping out marines to rapid-fire them, or anything with a flamers with BBQ them, Dark Eldar with Venoms, Fire Warriors out of a devil fish, etc. Every army has something that can wipe them out without working up a sweat. You need to keep them back behind the wraithguard and counter attack anything that gets into assault with you.

Troops
10 wraithguard - 350

A good tar pit wall to hold units in combat so the harlequins can counter-assault. You need a Warlock with Conceal because you are not going to have the Harlies to screen you. Also in assault he takes some wounds because you should have fortune going for a re-rollable 4++ save.

10 Dire Avengers inc Exarch + 2 x shuricats - 137

Quality troop unit.

10 Guardians + Bright Lance + Warlock + Embolden + Singing Spear + Embolden = 143
10 Guardians + Bright Lance + Warlock + Embolden + Singing Spear + Embolden = 143

I like guardians because not only do the have a heavy weapon that can move and shoot, but they can step up and with the help of guide and doom can do some short range damage. But I do not understand the use of the warlocks. The first thing is that the Avatar makes you fearless. The second is who shoots at guardians? If my opponent is shooting at guardians I am glad because he is not shooting at the other units. Also if you want to you can screen the wraithguard with them, because again, no one wants to bother shooting at them, and they are a cheap unit that you can throw away if you want to. Take one warlock and add it to the wraithguard unit, and take the other one off and upgrade your wraithlords.

Heavy Support
3 War Walkers + 6 Scatter Lasers = 180

Great unit.

1 Wraithlord + EML + Wraithsword = 125
1 Wraithlord + Wraithsword = 100

I like wraithlords in foot lists because they compliment them very well. They have long range BS4 heavy weapons that a foot list needs, they have flamers for anti-horde, and are even good in assault when needed. Here is the problem with your army and your wraithlords: I have seen wraithswords used, but only in foot armies that do not have the harlequins where they need the extra assault for counter attacks. Since you have the harlies you don't need the swords, and can take what your army really is in desperate need of is ranged anti-tank. You should equip them with Brightlance and Missile Launchers combination. You really need them in your army because otherwise you have no answer for anything with a hint of Mech in their army.


I had some tactics above but here are some more.

Every turn you need to cast fortune on the wraithguards and the Avatar.

You should keep Eldrad with the Wraithguard. You need to keep them alive in assault and he and the Warlock can eat some power weapons and still be ok as long as you have fortune, and then move in the Avatar and Harlequins to finish off whatever charged you.

Thanks Blackmoor I appreciate the advice.

I'll post up the amendments.

wow I came into this thread thinking I was going to make fun of you for thinking it was still 4th edition, but you actually put together a competant foot slogging list.

Harlequins Ive never used, but their ability to negate range is impeitive to this list.

10 Wraithguard I assume will be in range of Eldrad.

Dire Avengers and Guardians are fine.

3 War Walkers with SL's and Wraithlords are basically mandatory with this list.

This list is fine, but it has clear dis-advantages. Im not really sure why your playing
a footslogging list as eldar, it isnt fitting with Eldar's strengths. Eldar's main
strength as Im sure you know is speed to capture and contest objectives late game.
This list literally has NO movement, and how you deploy is how the game will turn
out.

If your 100% set on playing a foot slogging list, go for it but I cant see it
working, especially with every doosh imperium player meching up with 10 rhino's
and absolutly insanely stupid lists. The List you have now needs more anti Tank.

I dont think Wraithlords need an extra CC attack, especially when it takes the
place of another heavy weapon that will be on a BS4 playform. IMO drop the Swords
and get EML's+ BL or Scatter Lazer.

IMO I would drop Eldrad compleatly for a doomseer. Eldrads cool and all, but doom is
all you need with your farseer, with runes of warding ofc.

Guardians with bright lances are bad. 1 Bs3 Shot, and toughness 3 in the open
wont work. I think your giving them cover from your wraithguard? but they
really wont do much.

I think Dark Reapers/Pathfinders/Guided Falcon/Vypers/3 jetbikes for objectives would
strengthen this list.

Good luck running footdar, and explain why your shooting urself in the foot.

Thanks for the advice Smitty.

The reason I run footdar is to quote JFK - "not because they are easy, but because they are hard".

Also I grudge the points of Eldar transports. It's amazing what you can fit into an Eldar force without vehicles and plus most people tool up to face mech so not bringing any sort of gives you a small advantage!

Im finding it hard too get a good footslogging eldar army so could you comment on that as well