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Alright, I am playing (since I started mine war gaming) against a SM player. He is buying a thunder fire cannon that he will get soon.

He told me that in the event I kill the techmarine gunner of the thunder fire cannon and that he has a master of the forger or a techmarine as HQs, he could put one of the two as a gunner and "reactivate" the thunder fire cannon. That would allow him to continue using the thunder fire cannon even if I kill the techmarine gunner.

I was wondering if it was possible since the thunder fire cannon operator is a gunner and not only a techmarine (and I am ork playing a horde style army, so a thunder fire cannon or two can really hurt me when I am moving to get in melee)

Artillery rules - page 55:

"If all the crewman models are killed, the guns are immediately removed as well"

He's wrong. Page 142 of the Space Marine codex shows the TF cannon consists of the gun and 1 techmarine gunner. No other models can be added as extra crew, so it is an artillery piece with a crew of 1.
Page 55 of the BRB says if the crew of a gun is killed, the gun is removed as well.
So if his techmarine is killed he loses the TF cannon as well.

100% incorrect.

Have him look at the rules for Artillery units in the BRB(Basic Rule Book), page 55; there it will explain:

A) how to determine whether shots hit the cannon or the techmarine
B) What happens when the techmarine dies
C) How to determine damage on the Cannon

Also Serder you should take a good look at that section, so you will know and he cannot pull any chicanery.

Thanks guys, you just saved a couple douzains of orks

But I still ahve a question, Independant character can join artillery units, so if all the crew is killed but the IC is still alive, can he fire the artillery unit if he is within 2'' of the gun, or can't because he is not specialize in artillery fire?

IC do not count as crew and cannot fire the guns.

ok thanks a lot

Jidmah wrote:IC do not count as crew and cannot fire the guns.

Correct.
@Serder - you need to e-read page 55 in the BRB. It outlines everything you need to counter your marine friend's artillery!
Make some notes (crew, AV, who gets hit, etc) and bring them wiht you to the game.
If you want to be real sneaky (orky!) don't tell him about what you have learned before the game, spring it on his while screaming Waaaaaaaagh!

Any problem will go away if you throw enough boyz at it.

llol jidmah, i have just bought 30 more boyz recently, waiting for them to arrive, with that, I will be at around 100 boyz, I need to get more pk nobz thought because I only ahve one (buying used stuff because new stuff is just so damn expansive

Get yourself a box of nobz, it has (iirc) 3 claws, that even fit perfectly on AOBR nobz, so you can use the nobz from the box for big choppas and combi-weapons. It also has a hand full of boss poles and tonns of shoulder pads for 'ard boyz. Awesome buy when starting out an army.

GW really pisses me off with their rules sometimes. You should totally be able to reman artillary, and you should also be able to capture it. If you take an army based on looting things like the orks then why not. But alas, GW once again fails to write rules that could easily be a cool and realistic aspect of the game. Then they make rules in other places to attain "realism" that makes no sense, ie getting a cover save if you are in the open and a shooter's model is partially obscured behind cover.

Also for Big Choppas + AOBR nobz; take a Q-tip(or other brand cotton swap) that has a Paper stem, Then take one ot the Nobz with a suitable hand pose and Trim the Bottom off of their Choppa handle. Cut the Cotton swabs off of your Paper stem and glue the stem to the bottom of your Choppa handle, finally glue the remaining handle to the other end of the stem. you will have to decide just how long you want your final handle but this works really well.

Depending on what you choose to Count it as the Nobz Box gives you 5 PK; 3 regular obvious PK, 1 Cybork Harpoon-gun arm(could Count as PK), and 1 Cybork Buzz-saw arm (Easily Counts as PK).

Right, forgot about the cybork parts... I used them to build a painboy