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So i gathered up all the most annoying and troublesome psychic powers i've had thrown at me recently...personally lash gets on my nerves the most.

How is Living Lightning not up there? It's a close second to JotWW.

Yeah, Living Lightning is insane.

Too bad there is no Siren..... (3.5E chaos)

I like how Alessio Cavatore admitted, more or less, that Lash was ... did he say, 'too powerful'? In that interview recently ...

JoTWW is the most broken in that list, but both Living Lightning and Murderous Hurricane are both extreamly annoying in their own ways as well. They're all situational. LL kill mech, MH will make footslogging lists cry and JoTWW is just evil for low Initiate or high price models (Orks, Tau, Necrons, Nurgle based armies) not to mention it's ability to snipe.

If JOTWW wasn't allowed to snipe out specific models, but hit a number of models equal to what the line covered i wouldn't have such an issue with it.

Since when is a huge freaking ravine a sniper rifle?

Doesn't help that I play 2 I2 armies- Orks and Necrons.

I think these things are 'tested' for power level only against Marines, not against the other races, as they tend to be a lot more resilient to a lot of this stuff...

Ascalam wrote:If JOTWW wasn't allowed to snipe out specific models, but hit a number of models equal to what the line covered i wouldn't have such an issue with it.

Since when is a huge freaking ravine a sniper rifle?

Doesn't help that I play 2 I2 armies- Orks and Necrons.

I think these things are 'tested' for power level only against Marines, not against the other races, as they tend to be a lot more resilient to a lot of this stuff...

If they couldn't snipe and were just "one wound, no armor saves" Jaws would still be a great power, but not the hideously broken thing it is now.

I vote for Lash. I'm not sure if it's cheesier than Jaws (a power I refuse to use with my Wolves) but something about moving your opponent's models just seems dirty.

None of these.

Murderous Hurricane. Especially if people are playing by the rules and it doesn't have a range to it's secondary effect.

DarknessEternal wrote:None of these.

Murderous Hurricane. Especially if people are playing by the rules and it doesn't have a range to it's secondary effect.

What exactly do you mean by a range to its secondary effect? The unit it hits counts all terrain as difficult and dangerous next turn. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Am I missing something? It seems like a pretty standard power, I can't see why you would call it cheesy.

Because those with a Raw-wedgie tend to argue it covers the whole table

I hate anything that's a "remove from the game" power. I mean why bother with ID and EW if you're going to make this junk?

The rules say "next turn that unit treats...". There would be no way for it to affect any other unit. Ah well, I assume this has been debated to death anyway.

JAW or lash

But i hate Jaw more than I hate lash

The problem with Lash is that now that most people are meched up, it's far harder to use now, unless you pop a transport.

How did i know everyone was going to say Jaws? And why living lightning? D6 S7 AP5 shots is cool but not that scary and i wanted to go for a different army for each one.

Mind war.

If its what I remember it being...

Feeder_of_life wrote:How did i know everyone was going to say Jaws? And why living lightning? D6 S7 AP5 shots is cool but not that scary and i wanted to go for a different army for each one.

Basically the fact that its a super autocannon with unlimited range.

JOTWW into a big mech... cheesiest tactic I have seen: I was in a double tourny, my partner running a Kan Wall, while I ran a gunline SM list. The Wolves Player rushed their Priest up and JOTWW the Mech. GAME OVER YEAAA.

The Fzorgle is pretty tame in Mechammer 40k; the only time it's cheesy is when there are two.

"Oh look, I can't do anything with my Fzorgle against your transports... well that was a waste of a psychic power."

At least with Swolves and Jaws you can use your 15 MLs and masses of LC/PG/TLLC razorbacks to break transports open first.

No Zogwort's Curse?

Lash of submission has costed me an entire ard boys tourny and because of them being nurgle I got massacreed twice.

Yeah...If I went against ANYTHING....else. regardless of what it is, that never would had happened.
Yeah, Los is impossibly good when its being played against an ork player.

I've lost games to lash

I've lost years of my projected life expectancy to Jaws, especially when you can have 4 people casting it at once...

I'd rather be lashed

'chips, dips, chains, whips- ingredients to a party' - Slannesh

I no longer fear jaws at all. This is probably due to the fact that we used to get it wrong and think that it was units, not models, that were removed. Lets just say that after you have seen a platoon in a multi storey ruin disappear down a crevice you don't mind a few sniped models.