Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Aramoro wrote:So you don't think you can use

Sword of Sanguineous
Unleash Rage
Might of Heroes
etc etc

Can be used in both players turns? Thats quite a big change to how people play now.

Aye, the ability for Psykers to use an ability each Player turn is an often made mistake. I think this is mainly because most psykers don't have any abilities they can cast in the opponent's turn, save for activating their force weapon. For example, the Codex: Space Marines, Codex: Space Wolves or Codex: Tyranids don't have a single power that can be cast in the opponent's turn. But indeed, Codex: Blood Angels and the new Codex: Grey Knights have plenty of powers that can be cast on either player's turn, or even only in the opponents turn.

kirsanth wrote:Force Weapons (or the equivelent) for the marines can be used in both player turns.

Redemption wrote:save for activating their force weapon.

In logic and law, either denotes one, the other or both. Unless it's an either/or construction, in which case it's only one of the two.

Aye, it's because either is an auto-antonym (a word that can mean one thing or its exact opposite), like fast, buckle or weather, and should be inferred from the context of the sentence. For example, if there was a construct with a button and two lights, and you were told to push the button if either light goes on, wouldn't you push the button if both lights turned on simultanously?

I agree though, they could have used clearer wording. Per usual, a FAQ would help.

kirsanth wrote:

Redemption wrote:For example, if there was a construct with a button and two lights, and you were told to push the button if either light goes on, wouldn't you push the button if both lights turned on simultanously?

Probably, but would you push both buttons if you were told to push either button when a light turns on?

Well, no, but that's because it's a different context (and I'm too lazy to push both). But let's turn your example around, if your test subject did press both buttons, was he technically wrong to push both?

Let's try common sense. Let's say, hypothetically, it could only be use in either your player turn, or the other player's turn, but only once per game turn.
Now, imagine that you got the first turn, and you assault someone at the start of game turn 2. You can now cast Cleansing Flame, but you wouldn't be able to cast it again immediately the next assault phase, as it's still the same game turn.
Now, imagine that you went second instead, and you assault someone at the end of game turn 2. You can now cast Cleansing Flame, and you can cast it again immediately the next assault, as that would be the start of game turn 3.

So suddenly you can cast it twice in a row, thus potentionally making it more powerful, just because you started the assault at the end of a game turn? I know it's not always a good idea to try to apply common sense to WH40k rules, but that doesn't make sense to me.

Heh, as I said, trying to apply common sense to 40k rules can be a bad idea. Lord of Tempests is just a poorly written rule though I guess.

Still, I stand by my point, but yeah, FAQ please.