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Hi,
i'm considering buying a couple of these, but I played a game with some stand-ins to see how i liked them, and found i just didnt know what to do with them.

They seem pretty overpriced for bs3. has anyone had a lot of success with them, and if so what do you tend to use them for?

Thanks!

They are currently blocking dust from getting on the shelf I keep them on...

I find them incredibly overpriced for what they do. If they were BS4 OR didnt take a penalty for long range I might use them. but 95% of the time you are hitting on 5's...

ShivanAngel wrote:They are currently blocking dust from getting on the shelf I keep them on...

I find them incredibly overpriced for what they do. If they were BS4 OR didnt take a penalty for long range I might use them. but 95% of the time you are hitting on 5's...

Testify. I spotted mine while going through some old army cases, paused to scoff derisively, and then went about my business. I disliked them last book when they were skirmishers and had knights to shoot; now that they're ranked and we're in 8th edition ...

- Salvage

Boss Salvage wrote:

ShivanAngel wrote:They are currently blocking dust from getting on the shelf I keep them on...

I find them incredibly overpriced for what they do. If they were BS4 OR didnt take a penalty for long range I might use them. but 95% of the time you are hitting on 5's...

Testify. I spotted mine while going through some old army cases, paused to scoff derisively, and then went about my business. I disliked them last book when they were skirmishers and had knights to shoot; now that they're ranked and we're in 8th edition ...

- Salvage

Yeah I just dont get how a SCOPED rifle that is PROPPED only hits 33% time usually.....

Sadly, as everyone else has already mentioned they are best used in guarding the mini shelf from attack.

I've been considering 15 with an attached Warlord... with Fozzrik's Folding Fortress.

Probably going to go over like a lead zeppelin, but one never knows...

I've found that a small unit of Jezzails can have a home in your list if you regularly face cavalry. The long range, high strength and huge save modifier mean even the toughest cavalry will lose a few models.

Granted, there are probably better options (like a WLC...), but I can say I've had moderate success with mine. I usually grab a single small unit of 5-6. Stick them in a building for survival if possible, but really if they take concentrated fire, expect them to die.

Thanks everyone, I wont waste my money then; I'll get a wlc instead

Especially with how expensive the models are, Jezzails are just really not worth it. Keep in mind that WLCs are rares though, so you'll only need 2 until you start playing 3,000 point games.

I really wish they were a better choice, as I love the models and I love the idea of Rats with rifles. But at 20 points a model for BS3...

streamdragon wrote:But at 20 points a model for BS3...

AND the rule where they shoot themselves, on top of that! I wish I were joking when I say that every time I used jezzails in 7th, they'd panic themselves off the board before game end. It got to the point that my regular opponents wouldn't bother aiming anything at them

- Salvage

It's only a 1 in 36 chance to hurt themselves at least. In three games I've never had one kill themself.

At least, by shooting themselves. I did run through a lake which began to inexplicably boil and turn to lava once.

If you give my dice the chance to wreak havoc, they will

(Also, wasn't it easier to do in 7th? I remember the "reliable" rule changed somehow, but I was sooooo over my jezzails at that point ...)

- Salvage

It used to be on a '1' to hit, now for every '1' you roll again with a 1in6 to wound yourself. As far as I can tell you still get your Heavy Armor after that too. So the chance to kill yourself is still there, but it's a bit more survivable now.

I used to run 10 to 15, in a three story building (thank you warlord).
From behind walls of slaves, they do a pretty good job and dumping high strength fire into the enemy.
With 2 WLC and 2 Plague Claws, the enemy has to come to me.
Slaves in the front, small units of clan rats (25 strong) behind with mortars, and the big guns in the back.

Inside the 3 story tower, you get 360 degree line of sight, with everyone shooting in any direction.
It's a lot of points, but it was a nice change from the HPA+Rat Ogre+Furnace.
The Jezzails are too expensive for what they do, but in an army with 2 point slaves, it's ok to pay too much for some things.
The game I went against skaven, they were golden. Took out a furnace, doom wheel and HPA.


The best reason to take them is they look cool, and a skaven folding fortress is an awesome modeling project.

-Matt

Great, now I have to find space for a 3rd warlord in my list...