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So, without a direct quote because i do not have the dex in front of me, Arjac is mandated to focus all of his attacks at enemy IC's "whenever possible."

What the heck does "whenever possible" mean? Do models get shuffled around so that Arjac is always in b2b with enemy ICs? Do the attacks get allocated to the IC regardless of b2b, or is it considered not possible to use this rule when Arjac cannot get in b2b normally?

Also, Arjac is not an IC himself. ICs are suppose to charge first into a combat and get b2b, right? Further ICs are supposed to b2b other ICs. So wouldn't an attached IC make it more difficult for arjac to use his Grimnar's champion rule?

This was a lot, i understand, but this Grimnar's Champion rule does not seem to mesh well with the assualt rules. Can someone please clarify?

Deuce11 wrote:So, without a direct quote because i do not have the dex in front of me, Arjac is mandated to focus all of his attacks at enemy IC's "whenever possible."

What the heck does "whenever possible" mean?

I imagine it means just what it says. You must attack an IC, whenever possible. If it is not possible, you do not have to.

Deuce11 wrote:Do models get shuffled around so that Arjac is always in b2b with enemy ICs?

No. But, as a part of the Pile-In, IC's must move first, moving other models out of the way to get to the battle.

Deuce11 wrote:Do the attacks get allocated to the IC regardless of b2b, or is it considered not possible to use this rule when Arjac cannot get in b2b normally?

An IC not based cannot be attacked. He cannot be allocated to. If Arjac is not in base with an IC, he attacks the squad normally.

Deuce11 wrote:Also, Arjac is not an IC himself. ICs are suppose to charge first into a combat and get b2b, right?

No, they can stay back and charge in from the back of the unit. It is the Pile-In move that they must move forward to get into base-to-base. I don't recall if this caveat is present in Defender's React, but I think it is Pile-In only.

Deuce11 wrote: Further ICs are supposed to b2b other ICs.

Where is this written?

puma713 wrote:

Deuce11 wrote: Further ICs are supposed to b2b other ICs.

Where is this written?

I dunno I was shooting from the hip. I thought was a rule. I do not run CC oriented armies so always find the assault rules voluminous and confusing.

So, during pile in, ICs move other models out of the way in order to base? Did I understand that correctly?

Deuce11 wrote:

puma713 wrote:

Deuce11 wrote: Further ICs are supposed to b2b other ICs.

Where is this written?

I dunno I was shooting from the hip. I thought was a rule. I do not run CC oriented armies so always find the assault rules voluminous and confusing.

So, during pile in, ICs move other models out of the way in order to base? Did I understand that correctly?

Yes. I am at work right now, so I can't grab you the page number, but they physically push their way to the front of the battle, as it were. That's why some IG players put their Priests at the back of a 30-man squad. Through a couple rounds of fighting, the priest is still out of base-to-base.

IC react first to being assaulted, so they are hard to keep out of assault. They must also try to get into base contact with an enemy when doing so.

They do not have to try to get into base contact with another IC, nor do models have to move for them to be able to reach combat.

kirsanth wrote:IC react first to being assaulted, so they are hard to keep out of assault. They must also try to get into base contact with an enemy when doing so.

You sure this is a part of Defender's React and not just a part of Pile-In?

puma713 wrote:You sure this is a part of Defender's React and not just a part of Pile-In?

It is both.

I should not have added "when doing so" to the second sentence.

Page 49 main rules:
"When a unit is reacting to being assaulted, or making a pile-in move, independent characters that have joined the unit must move before other friendly models in order to get into base contact with an enemy if at all possible (otherwise they will not be able to fight)."

Kirsanth - other models DO have to move so the ICs can make combat

See the BRB FAQ. No hiding sang priests...

Thanks this helped a lot.

Must ALL of Arjac's attacks be allocated to the IC or does only one+ have to? Because, frankly, sometimes he is simply over kill!

He must attack the MC / IC - you are not allowed to only place one attack, so you must place all of them.

Yeah he throws all his attacks at the IC.

It's to cover the situation where the IC is in B2B with one Wolf Guard, the rest of the Wolf Guard are engaged with the IC's unit and Arjac is 2" away from the Wolf Guard with the IC and the other guys. In this case he would be able to choose to attack the IC or the Unit normally but his special rules means he MUST assign towards the IC.

Aramoro wrote:Yeah he throws all his attacks at the IC.

It's to cover the situation where the IC is in B2B with one Wolf Guard, the rest of the Wolf Guard are engaged with the IC's unit and Arjac is 2" away from the Wolf Guard with the IC and the other guys. In this case he would be able to choose to attack the IC or the Unit normally but his special rules means he MUST assign towards the IC.

Just to add to this(which is 100% correct); should Arjac be in base-to-base with a member of the unit and not in base-to-base with the enemy IC, but within 2" of a friendly model in base-to-base with the IC; he still cannot allocate any attacks to the IC(He must fight the unit he is in Base-to-base with).

6th Ed, FAQ UPDATE!


So now he must give or accept challenges whenever possible. So that means he only ever fights one on one unless there are no more Characters left in the opposing unit?

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