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I agree. I don't know how they afford it. Wyrd would be the main reason why I think Infinity could easily do HIPS for many of their core units -- Though I know CB is worried about quality from China.
Guys, outside of Aristeia CB is never going to make Infinity in plastic...they've said that at least a thousand times!
And CB are worried about the quality from China, hence why the first wave of Aristiea plastics look average (core box and soldiers of fortune) while the latter boxes are getting better. Pity that they still cast them in metal for Angel to paint
There's no reason for plastic in Infinity. CB perfected metal casting and the miniatures show this. Infinity minis have the highest quality possible. Metal is a premium meterial
and perfect for a skirmish game like Infinity. GW have mediocre plastic minis which is fine for massive wargames.
CB won't drop the quality even if they could. They have a huge range of minis...the investment in plastic would be insane.
There won't be plastic Infinity minis in the near future and that a great thing. Last year I heard Bostria say for sure no plastic for atleast 5+ years.
Infinity minis are like Lamborghini in auto industry.
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dulydude wrote:Guys, outside of Aristeia CB is never going to make Infinity in plastic...they've said that at least a thousand times!
We know, doesn't mean we can't wish.
Modock wrote:There's no reason for plastic in Infinity. CB perfected metal casting and the miniatures show this. Infinity minis have the highest quality possible. Metal is a premium meterial
and perfect for a skirmish game like Infinity. GW have mediocre plastic minis which is fine for massive wargames.
CB won't drop the quality even if they could. They have a huge range of minis...the investment in plastic would be insane.
There won't be plastic Infinity minis in the near future and that a great thing. Last year I heard Bostria say for sure no plastic for atleast 5+ years.
Infinity minis are like Lamborghini in auto industry.
Agree to disagree I guess. But saying metal is premium is an over reach: it's heavy, breaks easy, doesn't take paint well, is hard to modify, hard to transport, and doesn't even have the best detail. The only reason people use it is it's the cheapest to produce quickly, allows for small batches and is reusable if you screw up. None of that screams premium.
Well, given detail caption is Resin>Metal>Plastic (then subdivided to each type of plastic) then yes, Metal is a premium product in figure casting.
Now there are ways to increase the level of detail in a plastic figure, usually by dividing more and more the parts needed for the figure (see KDM) and increase the depth of detail, but plastic still remains the worse of the 3 medium to capture detail.
Now for Infinity the units sold across the entire line do not justify the drop in detail and all other problems involved in setting up and running a plastics production facility.
Monkeysloth wrote: Agree to disagree I guess. But saying metal is premium is an over reach: it's heavy, breaks easy, doesn't take paint well, is hard to modify, hard to transport, and doesn't even have the best detail. The only reason people use it is it's the cheapest to produce quickly, allows for small batches and is reusable if you screw up. None of that screams premium.
Agreed. Pragmatically viewing, the details are lost unless you zoom in on the miniature, which is fortunate for other reasons as well. Personally prefer anything that's easier to transport and more resistant to random shocks that might transfer to the miniatures. I also don't mind the more bland poses for easier insertion into foam / transport case and having a miniature that actually corresponds to the hit box / silhouette and base size. I also find assembly / conversion of plastic material to be far more user friendly than metal.
The only reason people use it is it's the cheapest to produce quickly, allows for small batches and is reusable if you screw up.
Reuse of metal? That can be done with plastic material as well. Mostly not allowed with most preferring to get products made out of virgin materials, but it's little problem to grind it and re use it along the original. There's a finite number of how many times you can do it. Depends on the the demands and the product (duroplastics don't apply).
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dulydude wrote:Guys, outside of Aristeia CB is never going to make Infinity in plastic...they've said that at least a thousand times!
We know, doesn't mean we can't wish.
Modock wrote:There's no reason for plastic in Infinity. CB perfected metal casting and the miniatures show this. Infinity minis have the highest quality possible. Metal is a premium meterial
and perfect for a skirmish game like Infinity. GW have mediocre plastic minis which is fine for massive wargames.
CB won't drop the quality even if they could. They have a huge range of minis...the investment in plastic would be insane.
There won't be plastic Infinity minis in the near future and that a great thing. Last year I heard Bostria say for sure no plastic for atleast 5+ years.
Infinity minis are like Lamborghini in auto industry.
Agree to disagree I guess. But saying metal is premium is an over reach: it's heavy, breaks easy, doesn't take paint well, is hard to modify, hard to transport, and doesn't even have the best detail. The only reason people use it is it's the cheapest to produce quickly, allows for small batches and is reusable if you screw up. None of that screams premium.
What do you do with your minis...do you throw them across the room. Metal is stronger than plastic. Doesn't take paint well? All primed minis take paint the same. Actually Infinity have extremely small details.
Some detail are so small you can barely see them, like the eyes on female chars. Many times I overlook the mold lines cause they are so tiny.
That knife is 0.8mm thin and I'm sure at that thickness metal is stronger than plastic. Are there any plastic minis with that kind of small details?
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You might want to look at the Idoneth range, Modock. There's spikes and bits on the Namarti that are as thin if not thinner than the Spektr's knife blade.
Kanluwen wrote: You might want to look at the Idoneth range, Modock. There's spikes and bits on the Namarti that are as thin if not thinner than the Spektr's knife blade.
Kanluwen wrote: You might want to look at the Idoneth range, Modock. There's spikes and bits on the Namarti that are as thin if not thinner than the Spektr's knife blade.
Pretty sure Wyrd does that kind of thing too. It breaks so very easily, metal is definitely more durable.
Especially after assembling Malifaux miniatures, I prefer models a infinity's size and scale in metal. It's more solid, breaks far less and comes in less pieces.
For bigger models like GW makes plastic is great though, much if that stuff wouldn't be possible with heavier material. Especially big monsters. The old Lord of Change and Shaggoth are about as big as metal monsters get.
I first bought into infinity about 2-3 years ago and the first thing that struck me was how small the models, and more importantly the bonding locations were. I'm no novice when it comes to assembling and painting and I've struggled to not only get them glued to together, but to stay together!
Whilst I won't argue about the quality, their durability is something else. Chipped models are one thing, but when an arm or weapon comes apart midgame it gets annoying.
I've been playing a while, my first model was a lead marine and my first White Dwarf was bound with staples
I would personally take a little hit on detail myself for the superior durability of plastic. I recently dropped one of my infinity storage boxes and broke a wing off of two fraacta. That is basically unfixable without some decent effort as the joint is particularly small. With plastic I'd just glue it back together and move on but with metal the glue will only hold it together for display purposes, it will break if I actually try using the model.
In fact I've broken gun barrels too that your pretty much screwed with as its never going to hold. Then I'm stuck trying to convert pinning rods to at least get it to look passable.
I drop a 40k model and it bounces across the floor and nothing happens to it or its paint. I like that and its better for the table top. All the detail in infinity is wasted on the table top and is awesome mostly for display and social media lol.
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I'm not a huge fan of the designs - nice heads, don't really love the body suits, but could well be the colors / busy-ness. Quite interested in seeing how the minis shape up, but given that I own 95% of the current Shas offerings I don't know how much it matters to me. Speculo chick probably most interesting at the moment.
What makes me potentially sad is that the Aswangs don't appear in the SEF list, does this mean they're really gone from the game??? I own and actively play with 5 of them
EDIT: The more I look at the designs the more I appreciate them, although they're a bit more generic Blomkamp alien baddy / Mass Effect than I might like and the red is a real misstep IMO, unless it was intended to align them with the newer Combined dudes. Just feels like an oversaturation of red factions right now *looks at entire Nomads faction*
EDIT2: Wow, Gwailos are AVA 1 now? Big change, when they were originally one of our main fire team units.
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Huron black heart wrote: I first bought into infinity about 2-3 years ago and the first thing that struck me was how small the models, and more importantly the bonding locations were. I'm no novice when it comes to assembling and painting and I've struggled to not only get them glued to together, but to stay together!
Whilst I won't argue about the quality, their durability is something else. Chipped models are one thing, but when an arm or weapon comes apart midgame it gets annoying.
They've definitely gotten a lot better in terms of contact points. Socket designs are far more common and the increase in model size has lead to far fewer spindly arms.
The main thing I feel Infinity minis benefit from metal is surface textures. Things like the hex pattern underlays you find under the armor plating don't really work in sprue plastic, and details like that are all over the range.
Huron black heart wrote: I first bought into infinity about 2-3 years ago and the first thing that struck me was how small the models, and more importantly the bonding locations were. I'm no novice when it comes to assembling and painting and I've struggled to not only get them glued to together, but to stay together!
The older models were known to have an issue with torn ankles. The newer line is a big improvement in that aspect.
More importantly, IMO, the sockets are now usually keyed, so it's obvious how the parts join - unlike older models where getting the arms and weapons lined up required the patience of a prehensile saint. Still, I usually pin wrist joints just to be on the safe side.
PsychoticStorm wrote:Well, given detail caption is Resin>Metal>Plastic (then subdivided to each type of plastic) then yes, Metal is a premium product in figure casting.
I'm not arguing that plastic is the Premium material, just that metal isn't and in your flow there you show that Resin is--which I agree. Could have been more clear.
Modock wrote: What do you do with your minis...do you throw them across the room. Metal is stronger than plastic. Doesn't take paint well? All primed minis take paint the same. Actually Infinity have extremely small details. Some detail are so small you can barely see them, like the eyes on female chars. Many times I overlook the mold lines cause they are so tiny.
That knife is 0.8mm thin and I'm sure at that thickness metal is stronger than plastic. Are there any plastic minis with that kind of small details?
have you seen a modern PVC figure, not HIPS? You cannot break them and pain is near impossible to scrape off once you've got it on. Plastic is a very wide terms and there's lots of formulas. Most of my infinity figures come apart regularly just from transport and storage. They've got small areas that hare hard to pin as well. Now they're getting much better at this over the past year and a half but a lot of stuff from CB just isn't anything you can reliably use what they're intended for which is handle.
As for detail, see above, I wasn't arguing that plastic was premium just that metal wasn't. Though if you want to argue small detail and what's the best then I'd say a $400 home resin 3d printer. I can do way smaller detail then can be produced in metal and cast resin via that easily (and have)
All the materials have their place. Resin is high detail, but can be very fragile depending on the formula, metal is very easy to produce compared to everything else and great for small operations. HIPS allows for poses and designs that you cannot do with the other products and is great for modding at all but is very expensive to get produced and can require lots of assembly (but glues the best and is the most repairable). PVC is softer detail, expensive to produce but not as much as HIPS, takes paint the best, and pretty much can't be destroyed.
To me PVC is flat out the best for games and with quality figures in things like Monoliths' Conan and CMoN's ASOIAF I cannot see a justification for metal for anyone outside of the small guys that don't have the market afford PVC.
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IDK, PVC seems to contain some pretty hefty sculpting limitations. Guild Ball's switch to PVC has pretty well killed the dynamic feel of the line and turned it into teams of players mostly standing around and kind of killed my interest in new models. It's certainly convenient and looks close, but in terms of appearance I've not been happy with the PVC stuff from Steamforged compared to their metals.
In my argument I just pointed out that metal is a more premium material than plastic as far as miniatures are concerned.
I honestly do not know in what you transfer your minis in, I have transported several Infinity armies internationally multiple times including in the cargo hold and never had such issues and I include older models that do not have the modern technology contact points.
LunarSol wrote: IDK, PVC seems to contain some pretty hefty sculpting limitations. Guild Ball's switch to PVC has pretty well killed the dynamic feel of the line and turned it into teams of players mostly standing around and kind of killed my interest in new models. It's certainly convenient and looks close, but in terms of appearance I've not been happy with the PVC stuff from Steamforged compared to their metals.
That for sure is a negative. Reaper gets around it by having a factory assemble the PVC parts. But metal is similar in that someone generally has to assemble it. PVC's problem is boardgame people don't want to do that so they have to pay the factory to do it or limit designs. CMoN's stuff though is pretty good in the ASOIAF game. People running and such.
Yeah, I haven't really worked with the ASOIAF stuff. I've certainly seen some good PVC minis, but I haven't see a hobby game really soar with it yet. Part of that is that most people are staying out of the mass battle genre where it makes the most sense and limited sales can be sidestepped by most models being repeated. The only place I've seen it in a game system where armies consist of unique individuals is Guild Ball and Arasteia; neither of which have me convinced its superior. It definitely has its pros, but the quality really doesn't feel up there with other materials yet.
Infinity minis are like Lamborghini in auto industry.
Considering that my Red Veil box had around 3 models whose connection between arms, guns and shoulders didn't really allow for all 3 points to connect at once, I find that hard to believe. Somehow the old 1st edition models I had lying around (you know, the really old ones, like 1st Orc Trooper) had more flush fitting. Maybe I happened to have a completely faulty bunch, but seeing as models that did not have "gun aiming" poses were fine, I'm more likely to attribute it to poor design instead of casting shrinkage or warping. Resin in that case I could warm up and bend. Plastic I could cut at the very least, while metal is much harder to work with to fix the design error.
Infinity minis are like Lamborghini in auto industry.
Considering that my Red Veil box had around 3 models whose connection between arms, guns and shoulders didn't really allow for all 3 points to connect at once, I find that hard to believe. Somehow the old 1st edition models I had lying around (you know, the really old ones, like 1st Orc Trooper) had more flush fitting. Maybe I happened to have a completely faulty bunch, but seeing as models that did not have "gun aiming" poses were fine, I'm more likely to attribute it to poor design instead of casting shrinkage or warping. Resin in that case I could warm up and bend. Plastic I could cut at the very least, while metal is much harder to work with to fix the design error.
I still havent assembled my Red Veil so cant comment there but I do remember having the same problem with some of Icestorm's 3 connection point minis.
Oh man, as if the Bolts did not sell well enough already. How can CB keep them in stock now? They are going to smoke that Daktari as best selling of all time.
Yep.
Fatality 1 on the Lasiq is amusing. Lots of new fireteam combos for Bahram. Hmmm.
Red Harvest wrote: Oh man, as if the Bolts did not sell well enough already. How can CB keep them in stock now? They are going to smoke that Daktari as best selling of all time.
Don't you ever change.
Too bad I already have Varuna incoming so all those NCA Bolts lists will have to wait for never ever to get fielded. I wonder what they plan to do with ORC in NCA. Personally rather like the changes that came with Acontecimento and Varuna, although I'd wish more flavor crunch for Acontecimento ORC.
I absolutely love Bolts and am sincerely excited to see them achieve something closer to competitiveness. However now I have to gripe about their AVA 3. I've always wanted to play a Bolt army. Hopefully they just showed their Pan-O profile and their AVA is still T for Neoterra.
Exciting stuff!
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