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tneva82 wrote:
Well anybody who plays the game 2 units of troops is likely pretty much required...

Dont you think the Combat Patrol 25PL we have seen on the BR to be a more versatile and diversified force, even with bikes?

So regular troops seem to be on 28 mm bases and TEQs are on 32?

The Fortress looks to have a similar volume to the Spartan, just taller but a bit narrower.

I don't like how the Hekaton's wheels are seemingly the same size as the Sagitaur's, so they just look very undersized. I mean, just compare and contrast, they're proportionally much smaller compared to the body.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't like how the Hekaton's wheels are seemingly the same size as the Sagitaur's

I wonder if they are the same, and they share sprues?

beast_gts wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't like how the Hekaton's wheels are seemingly the same size as the Sagitaur's

I wonder if they are the same, and they share sprues?

The suspension's completely different, so either it's just a wheel sprue (which is tbh possible) or it's just a CAD asset reuse

So Squats have a Grymnar, who is very clearly an Odin figure, with the missing eye and raven icons.

But we also have

*Logan Grimnar
*Ulric the Slayer, who also looks like Odin and is missing an eye
*NJal Stormcaller, who has ravens
*Magnus the red, who gave up an eye for knowledge

 GaroRobe wrote:
So Squats have a Grymnar, who is very clearly an Odin figure, with the missing eye and raven icons.

But we also have

*Logan Grimnar
*Ulric the Slayer, who also looks like Odin and is missing an eye
*NJal Stormcaller, who has ravens
*Magnus the red, who gave up an eye for knowledge

Don't forget Magnus is also in the faction associated very strongly with bird motifs.

So for the army box what are we thinking, £150- £175 ?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't like how the Hekaton's wheels are seemingly the same size as the Sagitaur's, so they just look very undersized. I mean, just compare and contrast, they're proportionally much smaller compared to the body.

I know the theme seems to be NASA-punk, but I don't think it works so well for the Hekaton. The Sagitaur I can get behind because it is smaller, and could be argued to be like a recon vehicle/moon buggy. The Hekaton with its bubble canopies and wheels doesn't scream "fortress" to me, unless they were going for B-17 flying fortress. Maybe it would have looked better with treads instead of wheels? Maybe instead of giant bubble canopy in the front, have vision slits/sensors like the turrets already have?

beast_gts wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't like how the Hekaton's wheels are seemingly the same size as the Sagitaur's

I wonder if they are the same, and they share sprues?

Looks like it's just the same frame backwards.

I really like both of the wheeled vehicles. Hate the bikes as much as when I first saw them.

I have to say that I’ve gone from absolutely hating this range to sort of quite liking some parts of it (though still hating other parts). There are some nice bits of design in there, but I still really don’t like the whole Warhammer Fantasy dwarfs in space thing.

The parts that work for me are mainly the parts that look more sci fi. I think all the minis look better with their helmets on and I can’t stand the “dwarf” faces. It probably doesn’t help that I really don’t like Warhammer’s take on dwarfs (never have done). I’m really not the target audience here.

The heads I do quite like are the demiurge ones. I think they’re the only ones I’d use and I’d paint them in non-human skin tones to make then even less fantasy dwarfy. I’m thinking grey skin with white facial hair would look good.


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Uptonius wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't like how the Hekaton's wheels are seemingly the same size as the Sagitaur's

I wonder if they are the same, and they share sprues?

Looks like it's just the same frame backwards.

It looks to me like on the land fortress the rear wheel is bigger than the others. On the little buggy, all the wheels look the same size.

The more I look at it the more I wonder if that land fortress started life as a hover tank. The way it curves in at the bottom and all it just feels like its original design (or some variation of it) had rockets/jets/hover panels instead of wheels.

Very VERY shoddy photoshop job of the Fortress with more proportional wheels

Downside is that it now looks kind of like a monster truck

Now that we've seen the full range, my thoughts on them haven't really changed that much.A cool looking army with a classic sci-fi vibe, but most of the units are lacking on the Space Dwarf aspects. Potentially my new favourite army but several units in the range feel a bit middling at best.

The Iron-master, Grimnyr, Kahl and Thunderkyn are really great models. The Hearthkyn, pioneers, Einhyr Champion and Sagitaur are cool. Einhyr I feel are a little boring, while both the Hekaton and Beserks feel like they don't do their ideas justice at all. The Hekaton is let down by the wheels mainly, and the Beserks don't really seem to have a lore reason to be how they are like Slayers do, while the models don't feel that heavily augmented. I wouldn't say any of it is bad though, just disappointing.

Really though my main issue with the whole model range has been the feet. Wish they had the typical Dwarf style boots to make them feel less top heavy.

While I'm happy we're getting a version of the Mole Mortar, I'm wondering what's happened to the Thudd Gun and larger artillery...

beast_gts wrote:
While I'm happy we're getting a version of the Mole Mortar, I'm wondering what's happened to the Thudd Gun and larger artillery...

I have the feeling that the truly big units from old, such as the Colossus and the Goliath Mega Cannon, are going to be coming in a future wave.

We still have certain units that were hinted at in Artwork that isn't coming in this release. The Banner Bearers in the Kahl artwork hasn't been shown, and one artwork teases flyers.

Wait…didn’t we see a Mole Mortar for Necromunda or something?

I’d swear it was mentioned/shown off somewhere.

I may just be thinking of the Krieg one.

 NAVARRO wrote:
So for the army box what are we thinking, £150- £175 ?

Black Templar one was £125.

We're entering the period when people will defend any GW price rise as "b-b-b-b-but inflation, they're a business!" so I want to say £150, but Into The Dark was only a £5 rise on Octarius so I'll go £135.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wait…didn’t we see a Mole Mortar for Necromunda or something?

It's there somewhere - Artifice IIRC

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


Downside is that it now looks kind of like a monster truck

I wouldn't call it a downside.

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Very VERY shoddy photoshop job of the Fortress with more proportional wheels

Downside is that it now looks kind of like a monster truck

Looks Bad IMO. XD XD. I would rather see this modded to be a dropship instead though, now that would be the cherry on top of the cake.

Arbitrator wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
So for the army box what are we thinking, £150- £175 ?

Black Templar one was £125.

We're entering the period when people will defend any GW price rise as "b-b-b-b-but inflation, they're a business!" so I want to say £150, but Into The Dark was only a £5 rise on Octarius so I'll go £135.

I think GW will take the current economic environment to take things a bit further, I hope I'm wrong!

Most of the rules from the votann codex have leaked online as a small PDF file. Not going to post it but if you're Very Online you probably know where to find it.

11pts for infantry? What are their stats again? 11pts puts them on par with a Necron warrior, iirc, which seems kind of high?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
11pts for infantry? What are their stats again? 11pts puts them on par with a Necron warrior, iirc, which seems kind of high?

M5" WS3+ BS3+ S4 T4 W1 2A Ld7 Sv3+

But you gotta remember those come with a built-in AoC and ignoring re-rolls.

Iracundus wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't like how the Hekaton's wheels are seemingly the same size as the Sagitaur's, so they just look very undersized. I mean, just compare and contrast, they're proportionally much smaller compared to the body.

I know the theme seems to be NASA-punk, but I don't think it works so well for the Hekaton. The Sagitaur I can get behind because it is smaller, and could be argued to be like a recon vehicle/moon buggy. The Hekaton with its bubble canopies and wheels doesn't scream "fortress" to me, unless they were going for B-17 flying fortress. Maybe it would have looked better with treads instead of wheels? Maybe instead of giant bubble canopy in the front, have vision slits/sensors like the turrets already have?

Before it was revealed I thought maybe it would be something like the Red Alert 2 Battle Fortress:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cnc_gamepedia_en/images/a/a4/BattleFortress.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180801163851

In some ways it is, but...yeah. The wheels take away from the "fortress" feel of it.

That does seem a lot better than an 11 point Battle Sister

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
11pts for infantry? What are their stats again? 11pts puts them on par with a Necron warrior, iirc, which seems kind of high?

M5" WS3+ BS3+ S4 T4 W1 2A Ld7 Sv3+

But you gotta remember those come with a built-in AoC and ignoring re-rolls.

So roughly on par then. Fair enough. What do you mean by built in AoC? That means they get resistance against pen, right?
By ignoring rerolls, do you mean that the opponent doesn't get rerolls to hit / wound.

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 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't like how the Hekaton's wheels are seemingly the same size as the Sagitaur's, so they just look very undersized. I mean, just compare and contrast, they're proportionally much smaller compared to the body.

I know the theme seems to be NASA-punk, but I don't think it works so well for the Hekaton. The Sagitaur I can get behind because it is smaller, and could be argued to be like a recon vehicle/moon buggy. The Hekaton with its bubble canopies and wheels doesn't scream "fortress" to me, unless they were going for B-17 flying fortress. Maybe it would have looked better with treads instead of wheels? Maybe instead of giant bubble canopy in the front, have vision slits/sensors like the turrets already have?

Before it was revealed I thought maybe it would be something like the Red Alert 2 Battle Fortress:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cnc_gamepedia_en/images/a/a4/BattleFortress.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180801163851

In some ways it is, but...yeah. The wheels take away from the "fortress" feel of it.

It would have been better with treads, yeah, but I sort of understand why they went with wheels; they were going for the moon buggy look.
Don't NASA vehicles have treads too though?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

So roughly on par then. Fair enough. What do you mean by built in AoC? That means they get resistance against pen, right?
By ignoring rerolls, do you mean that the opponent doesn't get rerolls to hit / wound.

They all have void armour (haven't found a datasheet without it).

Reduce AP by 1, no wound or damage re-rolls

Sunny Side Up wrote:
That does seem a lot better than an 11 point Battle Sister

Fairly on par. Slower, less defense, no invul, but better offensively. Seems fair. Plus you gotta take 10 of these. Stupid 5 man sister squads