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these are some rules i have recently made for the necron void dragon c'tan.
i have seen some rules on other posts and sites but i have tried to modifi them and make them better.
here they are...

Necron C'tan

THE VOID DRAGON

WS....BS....S....T....W....I....A....Ld....Sv
6.......5....10...8.....5.....5...5....10.....4+ (invunrable)

Special rules
Attack of the machine spirit
Fists of molten lava
Power over resurection
eternal warrior

and all the other C'tan rules.... (all the ones from the codex)
(see codex for more information on these special rules)
0-1 C'tan
Monstrous creature
Imune to natrual law
Necrodermis
Drain life
Manifestation
Above all others
Fearless

Attack of the machine spirit
The void dragons spirit is powerfull enough to seise up tracks and engines and to take controll of the vehicles steering. It can mentaly change the direction of a vehicle and send it to its doom.
A single shoting attack is made agaised any enemy with an amour value withen 24". this shooting attack requires line of sight. For every one point of amour above 10, you must suffer a -1 penilty to your 'to hit' roll. e.g to hit amour 12, normaly you would need a 2+ with BS 5, but the tank has 2 points of amour over 10 so you suffer a -2 penilty to your roll, you now need to roll a 4+ to hit. if the vehicle is hit, roll a D6 and move the enemy vehicle up to that many inches in any direction. it can not, however, be moved off the table, into any model (enemy or friendly), or into impassiable terrain. this shooting attack can also be targeted at the necron monolith and will hit automaticaly on a D6 roll of a 4+.

Fists of molten lava
The void dragon has such power over metal he can crush even the most heavily amoured tank with just one swipe of his fist.
Because of this, the void dragon has the tank hunters universal special rule.

Power over resurection
The void dragons supreme control over metal alows any necron near him to self repair any wound with ease.
Necrons withen 12" of the void dragon can self repair on a 3+ instead of a 4+. *this is not a resurection orb so if the necron was killed by a power wepon or any other wepon that ignores amour saves they do not get to self repair*



Thaughts?????
Points value (im thinking maybe 450)????
any changes or questions to do with the rules are welcome

what do the fists do?

get rid of the modifiers for power over the machine thing, just have it work on 4+, And inflict an auto glancing hit

why Tank Hunter? no shooting attack?

I like power over resurrection, pretty cool

the fists give the tank hunters rule.

i think that not having modifiers would be OP, i wanted it to be harder to take control of a land raider, than say, a rhino.

a shooting att might be good... like a fireball or somthing?




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or the fists could have an effect similar to the blood talons of a blood angle dreadnaught... an extra attack for every unsaved wound caused

mezorgon1234 wrote:the fists give the tank hunters rule.

i think that not having modifiers would be OP, i wanted it to be harder to take control of a land raider, than say, a rhino.

a shooting att might be good... like a fireball or somthing?




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or the fists could have an effect similar to the blood talons of a blood angle dreadnaught... an extra attack for every unsaved wound caused

Ohhhh HHHeeeelllll no, not on a model that ignores all saves lol

about the control thing, moving a vehicle D6 is naff, and in most situations may be a good thing, Now stopping that vehicle shooting or moving... well, much
more usefull.

Shooting attack

Deus Mechanica!
S10
AP1
Lance
Heavy 1
Range: 36"
only affects units with armoUr value

Think of what DR Manhatten did to that Tank

mabye on a roll of a 6 you can fire one of its guns
lol that would be good.. your land raider just blew up the rhino sitting beside it.

for the shooting attack, it could be included but it might bump the points up pretty high....

what do you think this model is worth? (poits wise)

This seems incredibly incredibly incredibly weak for a C'Tan, much less the Void Dragon.

if you're going to use him for Apoc games you really need to make him flashier and stronger.

350 points id say, as powerful as C'tan are, they are not game breakers anymore, Nuke Necrons bye bye C'tan

Eternal Warrior please! Or possibly "immune to all remove from play results unless taken down to no wounds left". I don't know, something like that.

Otherwise, what most people said...I really don't see much here that I'd want over the choices already available. The PoR rule is neat (from apocalypse, but a different name).

Other than that, I'd *never* take an initiative 1 model.

I 1!!! didnt notice this lol

make it EW, or 1 JOTWW and you die

JOTWW bypasses Eternal Warrior as it does not inflict wounds.

ok, eternal warrior will help.
im sick of my other c'tan (deciver and nightbringer) being id. and inititive 5 might be better so it can compare with the nightbringer.
somthing that might work is any walker in cc with the void dragon is reduced to I 1 as the void dragon frezes its joints in place.

mezorgon1234 wrote:ok, eternal warrior will help.
im sick of my other c'tan (deciver and nightbringer) being id. and inititive 5 might be better so it can compare with the nightbringer.
somthing that might work is any walker in cc with the void dragon is reduced to I 1 as the void dragon frezes its joints in place.

I like this idea, its pretty cool, and definitely make his I 4+

I'm really liking this.

thanks =)

any ideas of a points cost?

I'd say 300 minimum...
Does he actually have any wargear?

This is incredibly weak for a C'tan, the Nightbringer and Deciever you see in the Necron Codex were created for a game system several editions prior to 5th edition where their stats represented their fluff as Star Gods, it would be next to impossible to balance a Star God for 5th edition unless it's apocalypse, and even then it'd be bloody hard as you're talking about something that rivals a major Chaos God in power and slew Eldar Gods and Goddesses millenia ago.

First thing i'd do is make it something like the Dawn of War games and their portrayal of the Nightbringer and Deciever as essences bestowed upon a Lord to make him powerful, yet still only a fraction of the power of the Star Gods themselves; in this case, an essence of the Void Dragon would suit 5th edition fine, and would mitigate the balance issues that would surround creating a Star God profile with 5th edition in mind.

The Void Dragon doesn't strike me as a combat monster (pun unintended) like the Nightbringer, or a supporter like the Deciever, so I think WS5 and BS5 should suffice. His strength is fine, perhaps make him 8 or 9 instead of straight 10? Remember, he's a Monsterous Creature, so will get 2D6 penetration against most things anyway.

Wounds are fine, maybe make him W6 on account of his reasonable WS/BS? T8 somewhat makes up for it though. Initiative should be 6 in my opinion, but that's only because I think of the Void DRAGON as something akin to its namesake, and therefore quite agile. 5 Attacks seems fine, but perhaps make it 4 for balance?

Special rules:
I don't understand attack of the machine spirit, it isn't written very clearly.

The fists don't really make sense, he already gets 2D6 penetration, why does he need tank hunter?

Instead of 3+ WBB, perhaps make it a re-roll?

You might also want some sort of protection against psychic attacks, perhaps similar to Khârn's rule?

Avatar 720 wrote:
Special rules:
I don't understand attack of the machine spirit, it isn't written very clearly.

The fists don't really make sense, he already gets 2D6 penetration, why does he need tank hunter?

Instead of 3+ WBB, perhaps make it a re-roll?

You might also want some sort of protection against psychic attacks, perhaps similar to Khârn's rule?

1. What's to know, basically you roll a die with some modifiers and get to move an enemy vehicle. Not worth it unless you can fire a gun as well (or at all). And it's pretty simple to understand. AV 10: 2+. AV 11: 3+. AV 12: 4+. AV 13: 5+. AV 14: 6+.

2. Because tank hunter adds +1 to the damage result, not the penetration roll.

3. Then what would you do about porting them through monoliths if they failed their WBB and their reroll from the void dragon? I'd rather it be a 3+ WBB since that rule actually exists with the phalanx and pylon phalanx (whatever it's actually called) from apoc.

4. Agreed.

This seems like quite a good built but I feel as it is the dragon he should have more control over vehicles, like causing vehicles to fire on each other or boosting nearby monoliths

Considering the fluff is that the Void dragon is large enough (when in his necrodermis shell) to eat a whole planet, maybe it should be:

Cost - 1000pts
Every turn, roll a d6, on a 5+ necron player wins as void dragon turns up and noms the planet!

Posted this in another thread on the C'tan, I think it's a good representation of the Void Dragon.

The pictures fairly big so have spoilered it.



Some more images.

http://www.jonspace.com/flashbackhumor/forums/showthread.php?t=968

The Void Dragon is an absolute beast, I think he's not in the game for a reason

Kevin949 wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:
Special rules:
I don't understand attack of the machine spirit, it isn't written very clearly.

The fists don't really make sense, he already gets 2D6 penetration, why does he need tank hunter?

Instead of 3+ WBB, perhaps make it a re-roll?

You might also want some sort of protection against psychic attacks, perhaps similar to Khârn's rule?

2. Because tank hunter adds +1 to the damage result, not the penetration roll.

Tank Hunters "add +1 to their armour penetration rolls whenever they hit a vehicle" pg76

Avatar 720 wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:
Special rules:
I don't understand attack of the machine spirit, it isn't written very clearly.

The fists don't really make sense, he already gets 2D6 penetration, why does he need tank hunter?

Instead of 3+ WBB, perhaps make it a re-roll?

You might also want some sort of protection against psychic attacks, perhaps similar to Khârn's rule?

2. Because tank hunter adds +1 to the damage result, not the penetration roll.

Tank Hunters "add +1 to their armour penetration rolls whenever they hit a vehicle" pg76

Yes, yes it does. Must have just gotten confused (not with AP1).

hmm... taking controll of a wepon does sound like a good idea.
maybe a choice can be made... if the enemy tank is hit, choose to, 1) move the tank, or 2) roll a d3. on a 1 you may fire one wepon, on a 2 you may fire 2 wepons and on a 3 you may fire 3 weapons (owner of the tank decides which wepon) this may also be targeted on the monolith(1 or 2 it fires flux, 3 it fires particle whip, potentialy giving it 2 whips a turn)


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purplefood wrote:I'd say 300 minimum...
Does he actually have any wargear?

do necrons ever have any wargear lol? not very often =(

soo.. umm, 350/400 points?

I'd say buff him up, make him 500+ points and then throw him into apocalypse only.

The C'tan just don't seem that feasible in the normal force org. charts anymore.

i can imagine an epic model here....
12" high massive c'tan, burning robes maybe even massive dragon-like wings.
would be an impressive model.

I just think he's too weak. Ctan, especially the god of machines, should literally rip through vehicles like butter.


E.g.
Strength 10, Ap 1, Range 24", Assault 1, Lance, Melta
Passes through multiple units like a Blood Lance, only stopping on a glancing hit/failed to penetrate.

Formosa wrote: Shooting attack

Deus Mechanica!
S10
AP1
Lance
Heavy 1
Range: 36"
only affects units with armoUr value

Think of what DR Manhatten did to that Tank

I like this better