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This viewpoint stems from my early days as a WH Fantasy player. Ah, those headdy days...

Anyway, back to my point. I think that there should be no more Books, White Dwarf Articles, Rules or any other publication that presumes we want the boring Imperium to be the authority on all things of the 40K Universe. Examples of this rediculous bias are:

- Chapter Approved - The Idea that an Imperial edict is required for a change in the rules of 40K.
- Fiction Books - I can count on one hand the number of books published that are from a non-human perspective.
- The Rule Book - Filled with Imperial fluff, and almost completely devoid of the perspective of any other race in the 40K universe.
- Army Books - "Codex" is quite obviously a bias towards the "Gothic" that only humans of the 40K universe would speak as a first language.
- Army Book Releases - How long have people been waiting for a new Necron Codex? And they release another cheesey Space Marine chapter (Grey Knights).
- Space Marine Chapters - Oh don't get me started. No other race in the 40k universe is given multiple Army Books for different factions to delve into their background with.
- The Game Boxed Set - Wouldn't it be nice to see, oh I don't know, maybe Orks and Tau in the boxed set, instead of <beep>ing Space Marines again!

Who's with me?

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munk3h wrote:
- The Game Boxed Set - Wouldn't it be nice to see, oh I don't know, maybe Orks and Tau in the boxed set, instead of <beep>ing Space Marines again!
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Supposedly this is going to happen with the 6th Edition set.

I think that is a bit extreme, but even as a loyal imperium player I would like to see more non-imperium stuff. Keeps the game and the fluff alive.

As for box sets, I would like to see 2 or 3 different ones. 1 of which can include space marines. Then have a box or 2 with only non-imperium forces.

I like the imperial fluff in the rulebooks. it's a good introduction to the universe, you start off in the imperium of mankind, if you want to travel and see the galaxy, get the codex and find out more about the xenos of your choice.

I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, more non-imperial perspectives would be good, and a greater choice in armies in the big box sets would be pleasant.

But "devoid of imperial perspective"... erm no. just greater balance.

Oh, and space marines will always be the poster boys of the hobby and there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it.

Well, I agree with you on most of that stuff, but part of it is jsut popular demand. Lots of people like SM and IG, so thats why you see them everywhere. But you're right, they really do need to get just a little more stuff in for the Xeno races, besides Orks.

I don't think it's popular demand, I think it's to do with how the story is told, and who the main characters are.

Asking for 40k to be presented from a non-imperial perspective is like asking for Harry Potter to be presented from the point of view of Draco Malfoy...

Having everything from one viewpoint allows you to keep some semblance of control over the narrative of a complex universe.

Think of the Imperium as the narrator. Stories don't have several narrators for a reason.

lunarman wrote:I don't think it's popular demand, I think it's to do with how the story is told, and who the main characters are.

I think it's more to do with the fact that the appearance of Marines is the one truly GW thing they can put forth.

Also, because Marines have always made up the majority of 40K purchases.

Lord Scythican wrote:

munk3h wrote:
- The Game Boxed Set - Wouldn't it be nice to see, oh I don't know, maybe Orks and Tau in the boxed set, instead of <beep>ing Space Marines again!
[Rant Off]

Supposedly this is going to happen with the 6th Edition set.

No it's not.

The only thing we've got to go on for this is that "Codex Space Marines" and "no Xenos Race" will be within.

Which pretty much says no Orks and Tau.

Could be space marines vs chaos space marines... that would be weird. You can never have too many space marines though.

munk3h wrote:
- Army Book Releases - How long have people been waiting for a new Necron Codex? And they release another cheesey Space Marine chapter (Grey Knights).

Yeah... my condolences go out to you and the three other Necron players out there. I feel bad for you guys. Good thing Necrons is coming up huh?

Also:
Necrons, 3rd ed. Published 2002.
Daemonhunters, 3rd ed. Published 2003.

Necrons have one year up on DH. Compared with SM/CSM, which get updated every edition, I think GK were just as due for some cheese. You'll get yours in due time. I look forward to the actual in-codex artwork of a Necron Lord and BA Captain brofisting followed by exchanging BFF bracelets.

munk3h wrote:
Who's with me?

Grrr! Yeah! I'm on board! Why stop there though? The cod... err... 'Army rule books with anecdotal fluff' are completely written in *GASP* English! Those human-loving bastards! I demand that all Imperium armies be stripped from the game, and each remaining co... um... 'Army rule book with anecdotal fluff' be translated into its own race's representative language!

No, it can't be.

"Codex" Space Marines means that pretty much every Space Marine Chapter is off the books.

More likely is we'll be seeing Sisters of Battle or Space Wolves/Black Templars/Dark Angels fighting Daemons.

Kanluwen wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

munk3h wrote:
- The Game Boxed Set - Wouldn't it be nice to see, oh I don't know, maybe Orks and Tau in the boxed set, instead of <beep>ing Space Marines again!
[Rant Off]

Supposedly this is going to happen with the 6th Edition set.

No it's not.

The only thing we've got to go on for this is that "Codex Space Marines" and "no Xenos Race" will be within.

Which pretty much says no Orks and Tau.

Uh aren't eldar and deldar xenos?

I said "no Orks and Tau" because it was replying specifically to a statement made about "wouldn't it be nice to see Orks and Tau in the boxed set".

I didn't think I'd have to explain that Eldar and Dark Eldar are in the same boat on that regard.

To be realistic, the absolute core of 40K is the doomed unending courage of the SMs against a vile tyranny, or the doomed unending bravery of the CSMs against a vile tyranny, depending on your perspective.

Everyone else is an add-on.

Kanluwen wrote:No, it can't be.

"Codex" Space Marines means that pretty much every Space Marine Chapter is off the books.

More likely is we'll be seeing Sisters of Battle or Space Wolves/Black Templars/Dark Angels fighting Daemons.

I'm confused. In that post you seem to be saying space marines both will and won't be in the box.

The main reason why 40k is written in a human view point is because the authors are human and even the short ork story from fear the xeno was done from a very human point of view. And lets face we alway root for the underdog (well in england we do) and whats more down trodden than a human in 40k where most things can kill without stop to pause?

seejay wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:No, it can't be.

"Codex" Space Marines means that pretty much every Space Marine Chapter is off the books.

More likely is we'll be seeing Sisters of Battle or Space Wolves/Black Templars/Dark Angels fighting Daemons.

I'm confused. In that post you seem to be saying space marines both will and won't be in the box.

"Codex" Space Marines was the exact phrasing of the rumor.

That precludes anything from the bog standard Codex: Space Marine and really Blood Angels(since it was done so recently and has no gaps in the line to be filled).

Dark Angels and Black Templars, however, are both looking at a redo and differ a bit from the standard Codex--which makes them..."Not Codex".

Space Wolves fall into that same vein, but the caveat is that it looks like they're finally having the big hole in their range (Thunderwolf Cavalry) plugged in the fall.

Sisters of Battle are also in line for a redo, which makes them viable candidates for the starter box treatment to drive up interest.

The Imperium of Man gives us a point of reference. As cool as all the xenos and daemons are, having recognizable humans gives us a reason to care, and somebody to identify with. I know I identify with the poor schmoes in my Imperial Guard army a lot more than I do with S&M bondage elves or sentient fungus.

Boomer wrote:The main reason why 40k is written in a human view point is because the authors are human and even the short ork story from fear the xeno was done from a very human point of view. And lets face we alway root for the underdog (well in england we do) and whats more down trodden than a human in 40k where most things can kill without stop to pause?

I would have said what is less down-trodden than the biggest, most powerful Empire in the galaxy, whose only real threat is the mirror image of itself, which it has resisted easily for 10,000 years. An Empire tooled up to the back teeth with SMs in Terminator suits which can literally be dropped from orbit into a nuclear reactor core for 1,000 years, take an orbital bombardment on the head, and come up smelling of roses.