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so today at the shop a drop pod scattered right next to the table edge and was surrounded by enemy troops, there was no way to disembark
so the dreadnought was 1" away from any enemy model. what happens if you cant disembark from a drop pod as the rules say you must disembark from the drop pod?

After much debate the conclusion at the shop came to be that the dreadnought isn't destroyed and is stuck in the drop pod until he can disembark,also since a drop pod is open top he is able to shoot but can not be shot at as the drop pod is a vehicle that is not destroyed.

this just seems like a whole lot of wrong
any brb page or reference would be awesome
thx dakka

General precedent is that a model that must be placed, but can't because of enemies is destroyed.

Examples include disembarking from a wrecked vehicle and failing to fully move onto the table.

The drop-pod rules don't cover it, but the closest equivalent that is covered is being forced to disembark from a wrecked vehicle. Realistically the intended answer is likely that the Dread will be destroyed, but it's not covered in any concrete fashion.

thanx for the response but the drop pod is not wrecked so that rule would not apply, its more like a rhino that is surrounded by enemy models but is not wrecked or destroyed, even emergency disembark rule seem insufficient


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have I stumped dakka?

say it ant so Joe....say it ant so....

I think you have.

It's destroyed. If a model that must be placed on the table cannot be placed on the table, it's removed from play and counts as a casualty.

Generally any time a unit is forced to disembark and cannot for any reason the unit inside the transport is destroyed.

There aren't really any exact rules/FAQs to support this exact circumstance, but all related variants destroy the transported units(e.g: Fast transports moving flat out and getting destroyed in the same player turn, Surrounded vehicles getting Wrecked, etc).

As the unit in the Drop-pod must disembark the drop-pod, and cannot, it should be destroyed.

the thing is is that the rule say must disembark as normal in the codex, so then refer to the brb and it says that if you cannot disembark then the model stays inside the vehicle unless you attempt a emergency disembark, and in this case cant happen
this has to of happened before, sometimes it is so frustrating the glaring holes in gw hammer rules

pretty much basically this is a dice roll situation witch kinda sucks considering the circumstance

this was a game of Dark Eldar vs. Blood Angles and this was game changing basically the blood angles player won the game from this outcome, just wish there was something to cover this more specifically.


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Find where it says that a vehicle that isnt destroyed or wrecked has to disembark when its surrounded by enemy troops and cannot disempark further away than 1" from any enemy model,....... I cant

to be more specific the drop pod was surrounded by 3 raiders and or ravengers ( think that's what they are called) it was a lib dread inside and destroyed 2 of them with blood lance while being inside the drop pod, it truly was game changing

There isnt a rule saying it, however you have an imperative (must) in conflict with the "cannot" rules

And, as has been said - EVERY time a model cannot make it onto the table when it MUST do so, it gets destroyed.

can't stump dakka with an old question like that ^^ the units destroyed

Agreed. A drop pod is a unique vehicle in that there is no option to remain on board. The transported unit is required as part of the delivery to disembark. "Must". The situation was created such that the unit in question was unable to do so and the rules clearly state that any time a unit is "forced to disembark" and cannot do so, they are removed from play.

The rules are clear for the most part on this one to my read.

Under the Drop Pod rules, in the SM codex, they must disembark, and once disembarked, no models may reembark.

Sounds like a forced disembarkation to me. Hence, if it can't be place, its destroyed because it couldn't get out of its transport that is no longer a transport.

Should be a mishap for the Dread.
From GW FAQ:
Q: Does a unit being transported by a vehicle that has
arrived by Deep Stike that turn also count as having
arrived by Deep Strike? (p95)
A: Yes.

Dread counts as deepstriking, can't be placed, so he mishaps.

Counts as is not always the same as did.

My vote is for it is destroyed. If you can't force disembark it would seem to me that the unit ought to count as destroyed.

I'd say this is why forgeworld made the drop pod for dreads. IMO it sits in the center cavity but drop pods are a bit of a cluster F(*& of the rules anyway. There isn't really a precedent allowing for two models occupying the same spot.

RAW I think it the best logical response would be a deepstrike mishap.

diebydie wrote:so today at the shop a drop pod scattered right next to the table edge and was surrounded by enemy troops, there was no way to disembark
so the dreadnought was 1" away from any enemy model. what happens if you cant disembark from a drop pod as the rules say you must disembark from the drop pod?

just a ponder don't know for certain, but the drop pod was able to land exactly a inch away from the enemy and was surrounded sounds like a tight fit wouldn't of inertial guidance system rule come into effect instead ? i wasn't there or know what the situation was but i would of thought if there was that many models you wouldn't of been able to of placed the drop pod in the first place in the position it was in any way.

trichloro wrote:Should be a mishap for the Dread.
From GW FAQ:
Q: Does a unit being transported by a vehicle that has
arrived by Deep Stike that turn also count as having
arrived by Deep Strike? (p95)
A: Yes.

Dread counts as deepstriking, can't be placed, so he mishaps.

But then what happens if you roll anything other than destroyed? Where could the enemy deploy the Dreadnought? How could you put the model back in reserves to deep strike at a later time?

There is no RAW way to solve this problem, IMHO. Either just count it as being destroyed, or leave it embarked in the transport until the first chance it has at disembarking.

Cheexsta wrote:
, or leave it embarked in the transport until the first chance it has at disembarking.

Which has absolutely 0% framework or support to do in the rules for Drop Pods.

The unit is destroyed.

Plain and simple the dreadnought is destroyed, because he must disembark from the drop pod due to its special rules, so that means a forced disembarkation, and it states in the disembarkation rules that any models that cannot be place due to the disembarkation rules, i.e. enemy within one inch, cant be placed within 2" of hull, can't maintain unit coherency, is destroyed. So, the dread is destroyed, and that's it.

Tandaron wrote:just a ponder don't know for certain, but the drop pod was able to land exactly a inch away from the enemy and was surrounded sounds like a tight fit wouldn't of inertial guidance system rule come into effect instead ? i wasn't there or know what the situation was but i would of thought if there was that many models you wouldn't of been able to of placed the drop pod in the first place in the position it was in any way.

The intertial guidance rule only requires room to place the pod - it does not make any provision for the disembarking models. Why do so many people think that rule is magic wand which means that nothing bad can ever happen to a drop pod or the unit inside?

diebydie wrote:the thing is is that the rule say must disembark as normal in the codex, so then refer to the brb and it says that if you cannot disembark then the model stays inside the vehicle unless you attempt a emergency disembark

The rules say no such thing. You are referring to the 1st paragraph of P67 which covers voluntary disembarking. This does not apply in the case of the dreadnaught as it MUST disembark, there is no option to remain on board. The only guidance we have for what to do when models are forced to disembark says "any models that cannot disembark are destroyed".

dread is dead if it cannot deploy from droppod.

Also throwing in a vote for destroyed.

If your opponent REALLY whines about it, allow the pod to land, but doors don't open until there is space to deploy the unit inside. Nothing can shoot out, and doesn't count as open topped until the unit inside deploys (which MUST happen as soon as possible). I would never allow it to be played this way, but it's an option.