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Anyone else notice that Draigo's Titansword is just a normal force weapon and that Daemonbane does absolutley nothing for it?

RAW you're correct. While one isn't supposed to state that RAI is "crystal clear", I don't think there's too much to argue about here...

Ummm deamonblade lets it ID demons without activating it as a force weapon. So basically, you don't have to take the small chance of failing the psychic test or the small chance of getting a Perils with it against demons.

Galador wrote:Ummm deamonblade lets it ID demons without activating it as a force weapon. So basically, you don't have to take the small chance of failing the psychic test or the small chance of getting a Perils with it against demons.

Daemonblade let's a NFW do that to demons and psykers, not a normal frce weapon. Just another crap editing job in the GK codex.

Hm... where is the origin of the Titan Blade?

He used it to kill Deamons IN THE WARP. You can't ban something in the warp (at least as I understand the "concept" of Deamonbane)

Errata would be needed on this one since it either needs to be:

The Titansword is a NFW

Or

Daemonbane works with normal force weapons.

Brother Ramses wrote:
Daemonbane works with normal force weapons.

Probably this. It looks like they wanted to give Draigo a sword (aesthetically), but not give him a 2++ in CC along with all his other bonuses (since he has a storm shield). What they gave him was an Nemesis Force Sword that doesn't modify his invulnerable save.

FAQ worthy, but not quite as priority as some of the other problems.

It makes perfect sense. It's not a NFW, crafted from a Daemon's weapon (WAAAAAARD!), so there's no reason for it to have the same rules as a NFW.

Fafnir wrote:It makes perfect sense. It's not a NFW, crafted from a Daemon's weapon (WAAAAAARD!), so there's no reason for it to have the same rules as a NFW.

It wasn't crafted from a daemon's weapon. His NFW that was shattered was reforged using the the blood or whatever from the Khorne champion he killed in the warp. Of course reforging did not make a NFW as that is supposed to only be done by GK Techmarines per the fluff.

This raises some answers currently in NFW activation and such when Draigo is part of a squad. While he is a IC, his activation of his force waepons at his Initiative will not activate NFW instant death kills for the rest of the squad.

Brother Ramses wrote:
This raises some answers currently in NFW activation and such when Draigo is part of a squad. While he is a IC, his activation of his force waepons at his Initiative will not activate NFW instant death kills for the rest of the squad.

That never happens anyway. ICs test for their NFWs separately. What it DOES mean is that only one of Draigo's attacks can cause ID every turn, as opposed to every single one.

Although if you're running Draigo, you'll be running a Paladin list anyway. And if that's the case, he should be taking Lascannons to the face for the greater good of your favourite Paladin squad. His close combat abilities should just be considered a bonus.

Brother Ramses wrote:
Daemonbane works with normal force weapons.

Just like the Doom of Malan'ti is a Zoanthrope for his shield.

Brother Ramses wrote:

Fafnir wrote:It makes perfect sense. It's not a NFW, crafted from a Daemon's weapon (WAAAAAARD!), so there's no reason for it to have the same rules as a NFW.

It wasn't crafted from a daemon's weapon. His NFW that was shattered was reforged using the the blood or whatever from the Khorne champion he killed in the warp. Of course reforging did not make a NFW as that is supposed to only be done by GK Techmarines per the fluff.

He used the axe of the champion and purged all the deamonic taint by using cleansing fire. I know, I am being TFG.

Daemonbane gets around EW by saying the model is 'removed as a casualty' if it fails a leadership. Therefore making it different to the average NFW.

Xca|iber wrote:

Brother Ramses wrote:
Daemonbane works with normal force weapons.

Probably this. It looks like they wanted to give Draigo a sword (aesthetically), but not give him a 2++ in CC along with all his other bonuses (since he has a storm shield). What they gave him was an Nemesis Force Sword that doesn't modify his invulnerable save.

FAQ worthy, but not quite as priority as some of the other problems.

Exactly. Giving him a NFW would make him near unkillable in melee, and he is almost there already. They probably just overlooked the fact that Daemon Bane did not reference normal force weapons, only Nemesis Force Weapons.

Stormrider wrote:

Brother Ramses wrote:

Fafnir wrote:It makes perfect sense. It's not a NFW, crafted from a Daemon's weapon (WAAAAAARD!), so there's no reason for it to have the same rules as a NFW.

It wasn't crafted from a daemon's weapon. His NFW that was shattered was reforged using the the blood or whatever from the Khorne champion he killed in the warp. Of course reforging did not make a NFW as that is supposed to only be done by GK Techmarines per the fluff.

He used the axe of the champion and purged all the deamonic taint by using cleansing fire. I know, I am being TFG.

No you aren't. That's what the book says, and that's how his sword was re-forged. He purified the axe then re-forged the blade to make the Titansword.