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 Brothererekose wrote:
John & Patrick, I tried to get the "Wish You Were Here" album cover picture posted, but my 'Net Fu sucks.

MikeFox's - ork-o-rama took #1 for the second month.
Paul's Imp Fist for best paint
Carlos for Best Imperial
I blank on the Xeno best performer
Dave for Sportsman

Bigger field of players than usual, including some new players. There were two ThunderWolf Cav armies, but Ian didn't go nearly all out as Chris C did for the WolfStar. Courtney's triple WraithKnights have a great paint scheme (black, blue & silver) of which you can see on the FB page. Armies not in attendance, for me, surprisingly, GK, Chaos Ds & bugs. SoB & BA don't count. Otherwise, 3 eldar/Deldar, two/three AM allied with SM combos. 2 orks. 2 Wolves. DAs, 6 or 10 straight up SM or ally combined.

Editorial:
Tim: Fellblade, 2 Sacarius & Sentinals of Terra. H8.

Chi (sp) was the best xeno. I had a blast running my retro all Termie list. I am having a real hard time wrapping my head around the Objective Secure requirement. Tim helped me alot, but the idea that Sentinels of Terra get it really threw me. Hey, that means Clan Raukaan is objective secure too?

Ugh, Mike is actually winning tournys along with being best painted? We need to fix his Looted Wagon....


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And congrats to Paul on getting best painted. Thems guys is sharp lookin!

 Brothererekose wrote:
John & Patrick, I tried to get the "Wish You Were Here" album cover picture posted, but my 'Net Fu sucks.

MikeFox's - ork-o-rama took #1 for the second month.
Paul's Imp Fist for best paint
Carlos for Best Imperial
I blank on the Xeno best performer
Dave for Sportsman

Bigger field of players than usual, including some new players. There were two ThunderWolf Cav armies, but Ian didn't go nearly all out as Chris C did for the WolfStar. Courtney's triple WraithKnights have a great paint scheme (black, blue & silver) of which you can see on the FB page. Armies not in attendance, for me, surprisingly, GK, Chaos Ds & bugs. SoB & BA don't count. Otherwise, 3 eldar/Deldar, two/three AM allied with SM combos. 2 orks. 2 Wolves. DAs, 6 or 10 straight up SM or ally combined.

Editorial:
Tim: Fellblade, 2 Sacarius & Sentinals of Terra. H8.

I take offense to this Casey, I brought nids!

 gameandwatch wrote:
I take offense to this Casey, I brought nids!

Right, sorry, man. 2nd time I left you out, huh?

Think of it as incentive to have a better showing in October.

Calm down there Casey...

Front post updated. The orks continue the rampage. I might be bringing some Stompa action next time just in case the 25 MANZ werent enough.

 Brothererekose wrote:

 gameandwatch wrote:
I take offense to this Casey, I brought nids!

Right, sorry, man. 2nd time I left you out, huh?

Think of it as incentive to have a better showing in October.

Ouch, Casey, my feeeelss.....

 gameandwatch wrote:

 Brothererekose wrote:

 gameandwatch wrote:
I take offense to this Casey, I brought nids!

Right, sorry, man. 2nd time I left you out, huh?

Think of it as incentive to have a better showing in October.

Ouch, Casey, my feeeelss.....

I smell a CHALLENGE!

 gameandwatch wrote:
I take offense to this Casey, I brought nids!

 Brothererekose wrote:
Right, sorry, man. 2nd time I left you out, huh?

Oops. On reading this line now, it does come across rather douchie, huh?

Sorry. That was not the intent. I was genuinely apologizing for missing Andrew's (your) achievements. I dunno why I blank out during Travis's announcements at various places.

 Brothererekose wrote:
Think of it as incentive to have a better showing in October.

Try reading this line with Bob De Niro's voice & tone when he was in Wag the Dog, and he responded to Hoffman's, "You want me to produce a wah-aar?"

"Think of it as a pageant." Helpful, encouraging. Nice. Professional.

 gameandwatch wrote:
Ouch, Casey, my feeeelss.....

...
It is kinda funny though.

Just a quick update about the Tuesday night Maelstrom Mods playtesting. Got some games down in the last week with the following mod:

Players build a 21-card deck of Maelstrom Objectives to accompany their army. If you have a faction-specific set of objectives (currently Orks, Wolves, Grey Knights, soon to include Dark Eldar), you must take at least three of those in addition to the standard objectives (thanks to Ian for that idea).

Pros:
- Puts the deck in the player's control - fewer problems with randomness in the deck; you built stuff you want to see.
- No dead draws to be stuck with since you're not taking potentially useless cards like kill a flyer or blow up a building, or manifest a psychic power if you have no psykers.
- Theoretically closer games since players are fighting for consistent, achievable objectives each turn.

Cons:
- Another layer of 'tuning' and 'deckbuilding' (figuratively and literally) on top of an already kinda convoluted army build process.
- Potential for less interactivity in games since you're going to be playing for objectives consistently with less impetus to kill your opponent's models.
- It's hard to shuffle 21 cards.

Personally, I very much like putting the objective cards in the player's hands as far as what's going to come up. As a player, I appreciate an extra layer to tune my list. From a fluff perspective, of course you're not going to give your army orders to blow up buildings if there aren't any on the battlefield, and why would you pin your victory on achieving something that might not even be possible? And finally, as a T.O., it keeps very close to the spirit of the Maelstrom Missions, and they can be played straight out of the book without modification, and no more moaning about how the cards screwed me!

That being said, the argument that it could create less interactive games is a strong one. The game is about blowing up your opponent's MANZ with ur DUDEZ and digging the carnage, and if you have achievable Maelstrom Missions to go after every turn, you're probably doing that instead of crumpin hedz, since objectives win you the game and crumpin just helps you forge the narrative. If we wanted to play more realistic, super-tactical objective-achievement based games, we'd be playing Heavy Gear Blitz.

Something else to chew on as a forecast is the idea of a set deck of objectives that removes all of the element-specific objectives but leaves the rest. This would basically mean removing 5-6 of the worst offenders (kill a psyker, manifest a power, blow up a building, blow up a flyer, blow up a vehicle or MC, etc.), and leave the rest of the deck intact so that every draw, while more random, would, in a vacuum, be achievable in any given turn.

Another thing that I thought of earlier today while my head was steaming after reading the Ork book again is to give every Warlord in a Battle-Forged list a free roll on the Tactical Traits chart in addition to any other Warlord Traits he is allowed.

What say you?

Either way, I'll be at the store tonight trying it out some more with Orks instead of Knights, to get a look at how the other half (that is, the half with normal armies that have models and units and HQs and stuff and not just a couple giant deathmachines LOL) lives, so come down if you want a game.

You could just do BAO missions.

My army is so fast with a scout move that I'll just put allof the hold obj # cards in my deck and surely will be able to get them every time I draw them from my deck.

What time tonight Travis? I'm in

Didja explore a mandatory 12 or 18 that are the 1- 6 objective cards? And then having 6 to 12 (for a combo up to 24 or 30?) more of 'focused' fun (use psy=power, issue challenge, 3 in your deploy zone, etc.)?

Pro:
1. retains the Maelstrom mission intent of Capture-the-Flag for that turn's scoring.
2. keeps a h2h Character based (Abaddon, ChapterBeatStick, Marny) army from ignoring the flags and just straight to beating heads

Con:
Counters the creative fun of doing #2
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My bet is that you did explore something like this, yes?

Extra tactical Warlord Trait proposal: "Yes"
And ...
"Yes, I will play missions the way you have proposed."

 Julnlecs wrote:
You could just do BAO missions.

The only adjustment I would make is score at end of player turn not game turn.

^agreed

I was thinking about coming out to get curb stomped in a few games again and had a question... No LoW means no Draigo eh? If I use him Unbound and get approval can I bring him or no? Thanks for any info, anyone that remembers me knows that I won't win any games even with Draigo so yeah...

You can bring lords of war. We use the bao approved list along with any codex ones.

I think it is a no forge world month, but I might be wrong. Is the GT idea off the table for this year? Will there be a Mini RTT thread? Is there a plan to do a BAO style event in the future?

Lots of question I have.

To echo Paul, Travis has removed most LoWs for this event due to the new maelstrom setup he's testing, so just codex ones like the Stompa, Draigo, Logan and..... Ghazgul? I always forget the ork one.

So Adptcons tweaked out Malestrum cards are pretty awesome, check them out here. I wouldnt mind trying them out. Much more balance in there is more variety in where an objective is and a discard mechanic built in.

http://adepticon.org/wpfiles/2015/201540Ktocards.pdf

Its not the greatest fix, but its something different from the BAO spread.

Those cards do seem interesting, though "away from home" and "in enemy territory" seem to be a bit too.. close to each other, so im not sure they are balanced there. Away from home is so easy to get that it trumps a lot of other 2 point ones that are signifigantly harder to achieve.

Still yay 2 points! and yay the cards seem very reasonable other than the away from home ones.

Id also be more than ok with BAO missions if we decided to go that route. *shrug*.



For fairness we could also try a rotation of different tournament "formats' to see which we like best. For example we could try a month of BAO, a month of Adepticon, and a month of like Nova missions, then settle on which format we liked best. Then we get some practice with tournament formats which helps if we ever want to go to any of those, and w ealso figure out which balance point we favor as well.

I really like the idea of trying BOA one month, Adepticon the next, and then a Nova to see which one we like. We could vote at the end of the day or when you leave of the day if you have to wimp out.

I really like the Adepticon cards, I don't see anything wrong with them, more chance, but more fun too. They would not work with Travis' idea of pick 21

I really think terrain needs some more work. Can we please try and get the store to buy some more terrain. Even the Imperial Sector stuff is looking shotty ( actually I meant to say, it is looking like it could use some glue. The players need to rise to the work and get some of the stuff we broke fixed. I did not mean that the stores terrain was bad, just that the player base could help improve it. Some people think I meant the terrain looked bad. That is not what I meant. Poor choice of words on my part.). Is there a way to come in and build/paint it on a Tuesday or day when Travis is around?

 sgtpjbarker wrote:
I really like the idea of trying BOA one month, Adepticon the next, and then a Nova to see which one we like. We could vote at the end of the day or when you leave of the day if you have to wimp out.

I really like the Adepticon cards, I don't see anything wrong with them, more chance, but more fun too. They would not work with Travis' idea of pick 21

I really think terrain needs some more work. Can we please try and get the store to buy some more terrain. Even the Imperial Sector stuff is looking shotty. Is there a way to come in and build/paint it on a Tuesday or day when Travis is around?

Did you mean 'shoddy' or 'sh*tty', Paul? The terrain wall is open every moment the store is, if you want to bring your brushes and hot glue guns and refurb the stuff that's there or put together some new stuff you have an open invitation to do so. I do my best to keep things in the best shape I can, but it's a lot to do alone.* Everyone is also free to bring personal terrain for use on the tournament day as long as they're ok showing up a little early for setup.

*Casey and <he who is now lost> both contributed new terrain to the store in the last couple months, so not wholly alone.

I'd be willing to take a crack at the Big 3 mission formats. Maybe try Adepticon in November, Nova in January, and BAO/LVO in February. Honestly I just don't like how fractured the scene is. It's nice to do a "national circuit tour" of formats, but are we really going to settle on one of them? My philosophy on tournament format has been to keep things as close to the baseline as possible, so we don't get too acclimated to a certain idea or another. On the other hand, the big event most of us are likely to make the effort to travel to is BAO / LVO, so arguing in favor of that format for the local event isn't beyond the pale.

That said, for this one we're sticking to the billed format, mix of eternal war and maelstrom missions, with the following modification to the maelstrom missions: Players build a 24-card deck of Maelstrom Objectives to accompany their army. If you have a faction-specific set of objectives (currently Orks, Wolves, Grey Knights, soon to include Dark Eldar), you must take at least three of those in addition to the standard objectives.

The number of cards included in the deck has been increased to 24 from 21 based on playtest feedback, people expressed the idea that having a few more cards helped build a deck, and kept closer to the spirit of the Maelstrom Mission format while still cutting undesirable / useless cards.

See you all Saturday!

Ok, I hit a nerve, sorry about that. I was actually try to get some support from the people that visit the store, not those that run the store. To be more clear, the terrain is getting beat up by the players and maybe the players could do something about it.

So, I apologize for not being clear. I have left a box of bocage that I made. It is not the best stuff, but it did costs me some coin. I was hoping that others might do the same and my lame way of trying to do that has obviously fell flat. After reading my post again I do see how you took it and I hope you see my point now. I ask that THE PEOPLE THAT USE THE TERRAIN contribute to making some more or even repairing the stuff that is there.

About the store contributing, well that seems to be clear, they have and it is time for the players to step up. Let me know if I got that right.

 sgtpjbarker wrote:
Ok, I hit a nerve, sorry about that. I was actually try to get some support from the people that visit the store, not those that run the store. To be more clear, the terrain is getting beat up by the players and maybe the players could do something about it.

So, I apologize for not being clear. I have left a box of bocage that I made. It is not the best stuff, but it did costs me some coin. I was hoping that others might do the same and my lame way of trying to do that has obviously fell flat. After reading my post again I do see how you took it and I hope you see my point now. I ask that THE PEOPLE THAT USE THE TERRAIN contribute to making some more or even repairing the stuff that is there.

About the store contributing, well that seems to be clear, they have and it is time for the players to step up. Let me know if I got that right.

I am never in the store anymore, and even I contributed terrain in the last 3 months ... One of the pieces I contributed lasted 2 weeks before somebody ripped it apart to suit their own needs . I fixed it and the next time I wander out from the eye of terror and back to the store I will bring it with me for you guys to continue to enjoy.

The following post is to be read as though the guy typing is not intentionally being a douche:
On missions:
I'll play BAO missions at the BAO. And LVO. And I guess at BrawlitF, so there's plenty of opportunity, but I don't want to play them everywhere.

I *like* the GE missions as they have been ran at GE, the mix of E.W. & Mael. I would prefer the differing flavors (BAO & GE) to stay in their separate places.

Adepticon missions? Mmmm, okay.

Terrain:
I won't promise, but maybe I'll come at 9 this Saturday, with some paint and Superglue (no hot glue guns, they frighten me) and have at some pieces. Travis or Paul, PM me with a short list of the pieces that most need a little TLC; the brown 'Klingon" ruins and ... ?

I agree on no BAO/LVO. They are mainly modified book missions anyway.

I think maybe add a NoVa, Adepticon or even a FEast of Blades mission once in a while just to give more options. Nothing too crazy (except in December). We don't want to stifle creativity with creative missions

After playing five games of BAO missions this past weekend, the idea of playing three more next weekend doesn't thrill me. Some of the BAO maelstroms really need work. It's worth noting that in a regular Maelstrom deck, you'll only draw a card to score points for holding your own DZ or getting units in your enemy's DZ a couple of times. On the BAO mission tables, you could roll those two objectives every turn, which leads to very annoying games for both players.

Also, we don't need to make things easier for Carlos.

Oh yeah how did brawl in the fall go for everyone?

Alas I couldnt make it.. mostly because the tickets sold out before I was ready to commit to it (they sold out in like a week!!)

I know mike and casey were at least planning on going..?

Largo39 wrote:
Oh yeah how did brawl in the fall go for everyone?

Alas I couldnt make it.. mostly because the tickets sold out before I was ready to commit to it (they sold out in like a week!!)

I know mike and casey were at least planning on going..?

Check the Brawl in the Fall thread here on dakka. Last page has the results posted (a photo of the finals paper).

Bah obviosuly i can look at that thread for results and such i just wanna know how it was for GE/you guys in particular! silly


It's all about solidarity! and getting GE to win everrryttthinngggggg