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 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
I've got another view on the Gladius. Prior to the introduction of that detachment, no one was bringing to tournaments Marine lists that consisted primarily of Tac, Dev, and Assault Squads. One might take from this that they are overcosted compared to other units in the game.

Formations give an incentive to play armies that are thematically representative of what factions typically field. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Those units are absolutely overcosted in 7th.

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
I've got another view on the Gladius. Prior to the introduction of that detachment, no one was bringing to tournaments Marine lists that consisted primarily of Tac, Dev, and Assault Squads. One might take from this that they are overcosted compared to other units in the game.

Formations give an incentive to play armies that are thematically representative of what factions typically field. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Then that's an issue that should be fixed by addressing the issues with the units, not by giving them gobs of free stuff that doesn't necessarily have those issues. That's a really hamfisted band-aid that introduces a whole lot more issues than it solves, particularly against armies where units like Tacs and Assault marines work just fine.

If GW wants people to play armies built around classic fluff based composition, their rules should fundamentally be built around that, not by just going "eh, give 'em several hundred points of free scoring transports" after the fact. That's awful game design.

One will notice that even with Gladius armies, people still try to minimize the number of tac, dev, and assault models and splurge on the "cooler" or more powerful stuff.

There are issues both with cost and scale, it's hard to make something like a Tac marine feel meaningful when they're facing Knights, Aircraft, Titans, Deathstars, etc. They've bloated the game far beyond what it should be, and turning 2000pt armies into 2500pt armies for free is a really terrible way of addressing that.

Martel732 wrote:
Insert Orks, or Dark Eldar or whatever. Even non-gladius marines. Compared to the rest of the game, Eldar are almost universally undercosted, with some models being worse offenders than others. Eldar need serious nerfs across the board to even consider even minor buffs at this point. Take them back to 6th ed minus the crazy ass wave serpent and then we can talk.

Well, which would you rather have in your army. You can only have one in EVERY situation, you can't pick and choose so in every situation you have to keep that unit.

Your options are 4 Meganobz T4 2W 2+ save, Slow and purposeful, No dakka worth mentioning, LD 7.

OR

5 Wraithguard, T6 1W 3+ save, All come standard with D-Cannons and fearless.

Both cost 160pts, Orks get 3 more wounds but at T4 so they can easily be doubled out and with LD7 they lose 1 model they have a pretty good chance of running away.

So which would you prefer?

Or conversely we could look at the Wraithknight at 295pts and compare it to the Morkanaut with a KFF. Which of those would you prefer

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
I've got another view on the Gladius. Prior to the introduction of that detachment, no one was bringing to tournaments Marine lists that consisted primarily of Tac, Dev, and Assault Squads. One might take from this that they are overcosted compared to other units in the game.

Formations give an incentive to play armies that are thematically representative of what factions typically field. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

If the Gladius required 10-man squads and only gave Rhinos (JPs or Bikes to the ASMs), then that would be fine.

I'd like to see army balance get buffed.

Danny slag wrote:
I'd like to see army balance get buffed.

Didn't GW remove that back in 6th?

 vipoid wrote:

Danny slag wrote:
I'd like to see army balance get buffed.

Didn't GW remove that back in 6th?

Eldar.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Terminators

Then Vehicles i guess.

Should've closed this thread after the second post.