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=[Heroes]=
Herald of Khorne - Armor of Khorne, Firestorm Blade, BSB, Great Icon of Despair - 240 pts

Herald of Khorne - Armor of Khorne, Firestorm Blade - 140 pts

=[Core]=
Bloodletters of Khorne - Musician, Bloodreaper, Icon of Endless War, 30 Letters Total - 415 pts

Bloodletters of Khorne - Musician, Bloodreaper, Icon of Endless War, 30 Letters Total - 415 pt

Pink Horrors of Tzeentch - 16 Horros Total - 192 pts

Chaos Furies - 6 Furies Total - 72 pts

=[Special]=
Flesh Hounds of Khorne - 5 Hounds Total - 175 pts

=[Rare]=
Bloodcrushers of Khorne - 5 Crushers Total - 350 pts

Total - 1999 pts

Hello,

Is this an attempt at a mono-khorne list which would cool ? If its meant to be chaos undivided then theres several places for improvement IMO.

Assuming mono-khorne:

Herald of Khorne - Armor of Khorne, Firestorm Blade, BSB, Great Icon of Despair - 240 pts
- Great banner but with no Masque,Lvl 4 Phantasmagoria, or LoDeath HoT not getting its full potential which is problematic since its expensive. Consider the -2 spell casting banner due to lack of lvl 4 in your list and the ease of several armies getting a lvl 4 at this point total.

Herald of Khorne - Armor of Khorne, Firestorm Blade - 140 pts
- Nothing really wrong with this guy. I personnally the offensive punch of soul hunger but thats me.

Bloodletters of Khorne - Musician, Bloodreaper, Icon of Endless War, 30 Letters Total - 415 pts
Bloodletters of Khorne - Musician, Bloodreaper, Icon of Endless War, 30 Letters Total - 415 pts
- nice builds unfortunately the most current FAQ has been erratted so that only one version of the same magic banner can be used on the table at a time. So this is actually illegal ATM. Use one and just have a banner in the other the no march blocking banner is kinda pointless with rerollable ldr. I'd consider putting the BSB in the slower block just to make sure it doesn't get march blocked.

Pink Horrors of Tzeentch - 16 Horros Total - 192 pts
DROP. They have no herald they will get no spells off being a level one and will die as soon as someone targets them. A free point source for your opponent. Plus they ruin the mono-khorne theme. If honestly wanting a wizard at this point level your going to have to drop the second letter unit and get a good sized block of these guys. A HoT in the block is near madatory. The block should probably either level 3 with the plus one banner or level 4. The hoT is gonna need either MoS or power vortex. Yes the large horror block is expensive and yes its only level 4 with no true dice cheese so its gonna get roflstomped by anyone with a decent dispell phase but as codex is written at the 2000 point cost its the best we have. Honestly going no wizard might be less frustrating. At least you can use those dice to dispell remains in play. Empire arch lictor cheese can't stop that.

Chaos Furies - 6 Furies Total - 72 pts
- Probably one fury too many but menh. your call. also two blocks of these with your slow letter blocks would be nice to get those warmachines.

Flesh Hounds of Khorne - 5 Hounds Total - 175 pts
- AWESOME block can and will take down even sized knight blocks. Just make sure your charging them.

Bloodcrushers of Khorne - 5 Crushers Total - 350 pts
- A large amount of points for a block that can be either realllly good or just menh. No HoK makes them even more dicey. Models are amazing tho. Consider dropping 2 for either more hounds or a second fury block. Best looking model in the daemon codex tho.

Yeah I would drop the leadership banner for the -2 to cast, plus tons of lizard players and vamp players take lore of light, and both armies see a lot of play.

Drop the pink horrors entirely and boost your bloodletter blocks. Contrary to what many people will tell you bloodletters are FRAGILE, a unit of 30 can usually be easily shot down. 40 a block is nice.

And I would honestly drop the furies, and 2 bloodcrushers and add a unit of hounds.

And I would honestly drop the furies, and 2 bloodcrushers and add a unit of hounds.

if he drops the crushers to 3 they could be used for warmachine duties, thereby making the 5 furies kinda redundant. although me personnally i prefer multiple backfield hunting units with good mobility.

Hounds are also great for war machine hunting.

Thanks guys! I honestly had no idea what I was doing when writing this list, I just wanted an excuse to buy Daemons since they get destroyed now in 40k. I'm looking at

Dropping Great Despair for Sundering

Dropping the Furies

Building up to 40 Letters in each unit

Adding 5 more Flesh Hounds

Dropping 1 Crusher

and I still am 18 points over. What would you suggest dropping to lose those points?

I really prefer the Icon of Great Despair to Sundering (but then again I always run a lvl 4 wizard), as it makes breaking those steadfast units ALOT easier.

Despair is a great banner no doubt. But he isnt taking the other choices to really make it cook. -2 ldr by itself is ok but expensive, -2 ldr backed by masque,phantasmagoria, or lodeath is amazing.

When you say you're building your blocks to 40 does that include the horrors? Honestly at 2k youll only get 2 heralds and a horror block w/o a herald is pretty much dead.

I'd drop 2 letters for the points you said you needed blocks of 39 letters are just as gross as blocks of 40.

2000 points is such a bad spot for daemons. Core says we need 2 decent blocks and our hero slot only has space for 2 heralds. Meaning theres no room for a solo wizard. Our Lord choice could give us a naked LoC with wizard levels but thats 25 percent of our list in a single model thatll die as soon as a warmachine looks at it. a horror block can get us up to level 4/+1 for casting and a extra power dice but thats some 650 points tied up in only being effective in the magic phase. with the lizardmen/empire/dwarf/skaven cheese of no you can't cast i pawnz magic its not worth it imo.

Whoops, meant to say dropping the horrors too* I see what you're saying though txscotch.

Herald of Tzeentch with Master of Sorcery maybe the best hero choice in the game. I would drop the BSB and fit him in. With immune to psychology I'm not sure what leadership rerolls would really benefit for you. And since you are adding Tzeentch I would pick up some flamers if you can fit them in.

Rerolling instability tests is pretty clutch tbh... I always run a bsb when i play my daemons.

A BSB is a little risky for Daemons; unless you aren't forced to re-roll Instability tests...?

If you're adding Tzeentch, Flamers are pretty silly.

I'll say the following:

Blocks of Horrors greatly benefit from a Herald, sure, but that Herald will get sucker-punched pretty easily in CC.

Also, a lvl1 wizard only has a 3-point disadvantage on a lvl4. You get more dice than they do. I wouldn't be surprised if you get some spells off. Is it really worth it? That I'm less sure about.

As to how easy they are to kill...they have a lower WS than Bloodletters. That's really about it. So they're just as vulnerable to shooting as the 'letters are. And honestly, if your opponent allocates some resources towards the Horrors, I'd probably consider that a good thing.

Now, Bloodcrushers: these guys are almost exactly like two flesh hounds. They cost twice as much and have twice the attacks. They have an armour save, but half the wounds and lower MR. Where they really shine, I suppose, is that two of their attacks are at a higher WS and S, and all of their attacks have KB.
So, even though they have armour, I'd consider them a more offensive version of flesh hounds. And honestly, I think Flesh Hounds are good enough at killin' as-is.

BSB lets you reroll instability if you want, you dont have to.

bloodcrushers also get stomps, dont forget that.

So instability tests? I dunno man there ain't much I find that can beat blood letters in combat with their WS5, S5 and although their T is meh they still get the 5+ ward save. To downgrade the BSB to a regular herald and pick a HoT with like Life buffing the bloodletters further means they probably do not lose combat.

I would say take 6 blood crushers they are crazy scary that way.
Definitely get a a caster to you can cast life raising a blood crusher is kind of depressing for the enemy after they have killed one.