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so theres this guy at our store who has this mech list no one can ever seem to beat it
2 vendettas 4 lemmun russes (1 demolisher 1 eradicator 1vanquisher and one regular
3 chimeras with vets with meltaguns
2 chimars with basic ig
1 command chimera

Have Shrike infiltrate 10 TH/SS Terminators. Stay spread so that he can't hit more than 2-3 models with blasts.

On turn 2, you hit his vehicle line with 10 fleet Assault Terminators. Although he has a lot of potent shooting, very little of it can deal with a big brick of 3++ models.

Are you sure thats 1500 points? Doing quick math it looks to be over though I am going from memory.

Speeders or Multi-Melta Attack Bikes can be used to kill the tanks, if need be they can be reserved.
Combi-Predators and Rifleman Dreads will can take down the Vendettas and then Chimera but it will be a tough shooting match.
You'll want to multi-assault units with your Tactical squads hoping to keep things in combat.
Biker troops might be useful, fast moving Meltaguns or relentless Plasmaguns with Multi-Melta Attack Bike support and you'd still smash them in HtH combat.
Combi-Melta Sternguard squads or Ironclad Dreads with Melta/Flamer can be used to break up his gunline and knock out armor or infantry

well iusally run 2 tactical squads with lascannon multimelta drop pods
2 dreadnoughts lascannon and plasma cannon dreads drop pods
10 vanguard veterans with 2 relic blades and melta bombs deepstrike
10 terminators with cycloen missle launchers and my captain ddeepstrike

Well, no offense but he's running a reasonably lean list, while yours is quite... fluffy.

I'd run your tacticals with melta, multi-melta (or ML) and combi-melta. I'd take ironcalds, or MM dreads with heavy flamers. I'd drop the vanguards almost completely.

Adding stern guard wouldn't hurt. Or MM/HF speeders to keep the dropping theme.

warlord snagrod wrote: well iusally run 2 tactical squads with lascannon multimelta drop pods
2 dreadnoughts lascannon and plasma cannon dreads drop pods
10 vanguard veterans with 2 relic blades and melta bombs deepstrike
10 terminators with cycloen missle launchers and my captain ddeepstrike

You have a lot of strange options in there. It would probably do you good do look through some general marines tactics threads and think about changing up your weapons options, not just against guard but against everyone.

I would say drop pod assualt is the way to go. Take Vulkan Hestan as your HQ so your meltas are twin linked. Give everything a meltagun (not multi-melta) so it can fire on the turn it assaulted.

Five ten man squads with meltaguns and drop pods is about 1000 points.

With the last 500 take anything with lascannons. 3 Predators with Las Sponsons is a little under 400. Then take a couple of speeders with multi-melta.



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Some people frown on melta-spamming but any IG that take more than one Vendetta deserves it ...

At the competitive level, I tend to struggle against well played bike armies with my IG (which is about as typical and hated in its configuration as possible)

Traditional, so called, 'balanced' space marine armies struggle greatly against my IG. In particular, land raiders, tactical squads in rhinos, land speeder typhoons are pretty ineffectual. Drop podding marines/ironclads and deep striking assault terminators that show the proper respect for my special weapons, and turbo-boosting bike squads with double melta and MM attack bikes can take me apart pretty consistently.

well im 16 and dont have that disposeble income i dont have predators or land raider or land speeders i and i try to go wizy wig as much as possible

warlord snagrod wrote:so theres this guy at our store who has this mech list no one can ever seem to beat it
2 vendettas 4 lemmun russes (1 demolisher 1 eradicator 1vanquisher and one regular
3 chimeras with vets with meltaguns
2 chimars with basic ig
1 command chimera

If that's his actual 1500pt list, he's about 100-150 points over his limit, and that's with zero upgrades. I'd say that's your biggest problem right there.
And if he is running 2 basic infantry with bs ws 3/3 and not vets, there should be a platoon squad in there or else it isn't a legal setup. I'm also assuming the tanks are being run in squadrons and not as single units: because he couldn't have 4 singles

Based on the models you wrote for his list, no upgrades other than what you listed, and not adding in any HQ unit at all: he is over 95 points.

It looks like you may be fighting a 1750 list with a 1500 point list.

130+130+165+160+155+150+155+155+155+105+105+30(not listed but required to bring the 2 Regular IG platoon squads in Chimeras; add 10 more points if those were Vets without any upgrades)=1595, if he had a basic CCS that would be an additional 50 points for a 1645 point total.

omerakk wrote:
If that's his actual 1500pt list, he's about 100-150 points over his limit, and that's with zero upgrades. I'd say that's your biggest problem right there.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Based on the models you wrote for his list, no upgrades other than what you listed, and not adding in any HQ unit at all: he is over 95 points.

It looks like you may be fighting a 1750 list with a 1500 point list.

I thought so.
I would agree that that needs to be resolved prior to another battle. Next time ask him to provide a written army list with total point costs and verify it with the codex.
You don't have to be an ass about it, it could all be an accident, but 100-200 extra points is substantial and leads to a very unbalanced game.

alright thanks for the advice but that still doesnt help me defeat him

Even a 1500 pt mechvet list can be very hard to beat.
His is no where near optimal, eradicator and vanquishers sucks.

And people already gave you good advices on beating it... if you dont have the funds to buy the anti-mech upgrades and units then that is a problem you need to solve yourself in RL.

SonsofVulkan wrote:Even a 1500 pt mechvet list can be very hard to beat.
His is no where near optimal, eradicator and vanquishers sucks.

And people already gave you good advices on beating it... if you dont have the funds to buy the anti-mech upgrades and units then that is a problem you need to solve yourself in RL.

I play a mech vet list and his list is illegal like every 1 else says. They've given you some great ideas to help you kill it. My idea is terminators with cyclone missiles/storm shields. There hard to kill and take down vehicles easy while with a 3++ so ya.

warlord snagrod wrote: well iusally run 2 tactical squads with lascannon multimelta drop pods
2 dreadnoughts lascannon and plasma cannon dreads drop pods
10 vanguard veterans with 2 relic blades and melta bombs deepstrike
10 terminators with cycloen missle launchers and my captain ddeepstrike

Using this as a starting point I would try to do the following (assuming you have some extra pieces)

1) Lose the Lascannon and get another Multi-Melta, if you're podding in the extra range on the LC doesn't matter so it saves you some points.
2) Replace the Dread's arms with Assault cannons, Multi-Meltas or TL Autocannons. You want weight of fire and medium-high S weapons against Guard. The AP2 of both the Lascannon and Plasma Cannon doesn't really matter. Take a Heavy Flamer also, its cheap, destroys infantry and can even penetrate Chimera side armor.
3) Those Vanguards are really expensive and totally overkill against IG. Replace them with other units if you can. If you can't, your best bet is to try and get a combo-charge in by tying up both infantry and vehicles. Combat squading this unit will allow you to target two targets.
4) Don't deepstrike the Terminators. Deploy them on the board normally and start firing those CML from turn 1. You could even combat squad the unit into a shooting squad with both CMLs and an mobile squad with the Sarge/Captain. Target the Vendettas with the CMLs and use the other half to shoot Chimera side armor/exposed infantry and/or assault units with all those power fists.

Thats the best I can think of that doesn't involve gutting your army or buying a lot of new stuff. Tactically you have to try to get into HtH with them asap. Its the best way to stop their shooting and crush them.

To OP yeah 40k often comes down to who has the most money to spend on the shiny stuff =)

Do you have any mates that play marines that could lend you some models to give you some more options?

And failing that you have alot of deepstriking units so have you tried to trying to win via objectives its fairly simple just spread them out as much as possible so the IG player can only focus on one or two at a time and pray your reserves come in late.

unfortunatly no one likes to lend there models
im wondering would terminatoprs with chianfists be effective aand melta bombs

No. His low AP shooting will blow through 5+ invul saves and against rear AV10-11 chainfists are completely unnecessary.

see the problem is got all this antitank but when he disembarks his infantry they cut through my guys

Jubear wrote:To OP yeah 40k often comes down to who has the most money to spend on the shiny stuff =)

Do you have any mates that play marines that could lend you some models to give you some more options?

And failing that you have alot of deepstriking units so have you tried to trying to win via objectives its fairly simple just spread them out as much as possible so the IG player can only focus on one or two at a time and pray your reserves come in late.

not at all the op spent lots of money on horrible units like normal terminators and non rifle dreads.

Sternguard Vets w/ Combi-meltas in a pod x2, Missile Launchers on you Tac squads. Libby for HQ.