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How strong it is?

And can the Imperial Navy stand against it?

If the entirety of the Necron fleet where to assault the Imperium. I dont think they would stand a chance in space. (the imperium).

The necrons have apparently the most powerful and dangerous ships in the galaxy (at least fluff-wise).

They seem to use technologies far beyond the comprehension of any other race in the galaxy.

Their ships are always extremely resistant (their ships actually have the best armor value of the entire BFG game), their shield technology is possibly even more advanced than the Eldars' void-shields and their weapons are fearsome. They are able to field terrifying psychic weapons, huge gun batteries using as much energy as entire stars and other nasty things (that usually ignore the shields of ennemy ships, by the way). Finally, as they possess the most advanced teleportation technology of the galaxy, I let you imagine the threat posed by their boarding assaults.

Fortunately, it is extremely rare to encounter a necron fleet. Their vessels will usually avoid confrontation with other war-vessels. For instance, the Imperial navy recorded only 27 engagements with the necrons since their official discovery. But on most occasions, an imperial vessel will only have the time to transmit a simple distress message before being destroyed, thus rendering official classification impossible.

Necron fleets are only defeated if they are vastly outnumbered. But as I said, their fleets are always small, though their sizes seem to increase with time.

Necron warships are pretty much described as being stronger then anyone else's 1 vs. 1. In the handful of battles the Necrons have lost in space, it was only due to overwhelming Imperial numbers and only at atrocious cost to the Imperial Navy.

A good example as the Necron raid on Mars. Only 5 Cruisers managed to penetrate the defenses of an Imperial world only second to Terra in defenses, and while all 5 were destroyed some actually managed to land on the planet and the 5 Necrons ships were described as only being destroyed "at great cost" to the Imperium.

Fortunately for the Galaxy, naval encounters with the Necrons are extremely rare. Even rarer are encounters with Necron Battleship-class ships, like the Cairn Class. The Imperium lacks any ship more powerful than those 1 on 1.

Some fluff from BFG:

"Tombships are the largest Necron ships yet encountered by the Imperium. Tombships are large and terrifyingly well armed craft, perfectly capable of defeating any Imperial battleship currently in service. fortunately for the Necrons’ enemies, Tombships are by no means always present in a Necron raiding fleet, and so far have only been met on seven occasions. In each case the tombship was part of a large force, and so far no tombship has been met that was not escorted by at least three of the Scythe class harvest ships described later. All of the Tombships so far encountered have been of the same general pattern, at least as far as can be ascertained from the reports of the engaging Imperial ships. Whether there are different or larger classes of tombship so far remains a mystery, though one account of an
engagement between an Ork fleet and the Necrons mentions a ship so big that it dwarfed an Ork space hulk. Wheter this is true or simply typical Orkish exaggeration remains to be seen."

The smaller Scythe class harvest ships (which are classified as cruisers) have only been disabled 3 times by the imperium, and each time it took concentrated fire from several capital ships to do it.

Told you.

Necrons are a pain in the... Well, you got my point.

As a BFG player, I really hate the necrons. I play the Imperial Navy, and each time I played against a necron fleet, I ended losing almost twice as much ships than my opponent, even if I was winning the battle.

I hate the crons. I prefer them when I play W40K. They're less dangerous.

I hate to sounds like a Tau fan-boy, but how do Tau fare in BFG?

I've never played it and I don't know anyone who plays

their ships have impressive firepower, but have poorer armor then equivilant Imperial ships.


http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1280012_BFG_Tau_Fleets.pdf

they also don't have a huge varity of ships either.

Grey Templar wrote:their ships have impressive firepower, but have poorer armor then equivilant Imperial ships.


http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1280012_BFG_Tau_Fleets.pdf

they also don't have a huge varity of ships either.

And they're horribly slow... and they suck in boarding actions... and they also don't have the money to afford more than one set of shields on their ships ... and they can't teleport troops.

My favorite tactic against them is to blow their shields up, and then teleport troops or board their ships. Job done.

But their torpedoes and defense turret are very precise. And their ships are outrageously cheap. It always makes me want to hang myself when all of my opponent's torpedoes make a hit while mines get blown up by his turrets.

Not the best race in space combat actually.

so basically, they are screwed by Space marine fleets

So the rumors where right, Eldar can beat everyone except Necrons and Necrons are beating everyone.
What weapons are Necron ships using? Some advance form of Gauss weaponry or something else? I mean, it breaks trough the void shields like me trough fast-food joint, it has to have some major fire power for that...

Brother Coa wrote:So the rumors where right, Eldar can beat everyone except Necrons and Necrons are beating everyone.
What weapons are Necron ships using? Some advance form of Gauss weaponry or something else? I mean, it breaks trough the void shields like me trough fast-food joint, it has to have some major fire power for that...

Gauss Lightning Arcs, Star Pulse Generators, advanced portals that can flood enemy crafts with Warriors and Scarabs, and they have a weapon called the Sepulchre that basically targets a ship and drives them insane, thus crippling the enemy.

Their ships are the fastest, most reliable, just about best defended and certainly best armed in the galaxy. They had the World Engine, like the Death Star but bigger, better and not able to be destroyed by skimming a trench and dropping a torpedo down a gaping hole. That World Engine single-handedly took out 1/3 of an Imperial Navy fleet, 2 full companies of Terminators, an entire other chapter of Marines, and had weapons so devastating that they targetted a planet and scoured it of all life in an instant.

[/Necron-lovin']

Are Necron Ships piloted? with Necron 'servitors' running round the decks, or like hive ships, are they just empty sentiences?

Urien_Rakarth wrote:Are Necron Ships piloted? with Necron 'servitors' running round the decks, or like hive ships, are they just empty sentiences?

It hasn't been said, I rather think it would work like a Borg ship.

Urien_Rakarth wrote:Are Necron Ships piloted? with Necron 'servitors' running round the decks, or like hive ships, are they just empty sentiences?

I haven't read much about it. That's a good question though.

At least, we know that each Necron ship has contingents of necron warriors on board, to protect the ship against any boarding party, and to assault other ships via teleportation.

Some Imperial xenos specialists suppose that necron ships are built after the necrontyr's own space ships. Others think that necron ships and necrontyr ships are actually the same. In any case, this would imply that these ships are (or were) piloted by a crew. At least for the most basic functions (like direction, propulsion, etc). I guess the other functions of the ship (like maintenance, armaments, radar surveillance) are automatized.

But maybe the necron ships are sentient beings and have no crew at all. Who knows?

After all, we don't even know how necron monoliths work right?

Laodamia wrote:
But maybe the necron ships are sentient beings and have no crew at all. Who knows?

After all, we don't even know how necron monoliths work right?

In the 'crons codex there is an imperial message which describes how much damage the Necrons typically inflict, but there is a note which says when boarded the 'crons are slow to react to the intruders and have been the source of the few wins the imperials have. Thus meaning there is at lest warriors on board acting as troopers

So in the end there is nothing that can beat Necron fleet?
What about Tau, I read somewhere that they once used some kind of EMP. Stun the entire Necron fleet then destroy it, and they have less than third of the Necron force.

Laodamia wrote:The necrons have apparently the most powerful and dangerous ships in the galaxy (at least fluff-wise).

They seem to use technologies far beyond the comprehension of any other race in the galaxy.

Their ships are always extremely resistant (their ships actually have the best armor value of the entire BFG game), their shield technology is possibly even more advanced than the Eldars' void-shields and their weapons are fearsome. They are able to field terrifying psychic weapons, huge gun batteries using as much energy as entire stars and other nasty things (that usually ignore the shields of ennemy ships, by the way). Finally, as they possess the most advanced teleportation technology of the galaxy, I let you imagine the threat posed by their boarding assaults.

Fortunately, it is extremely rare to encounter a necron fleet. Their vessels will usually avoid confrontation with other war-vessels. For instance, the Imperial navy recorded only 27 engagements with the necrons since their official discovery. But on most occasions, an imperial vessel will only have the time to transmit a simple distress message before being destroyed, thus rendering official classification impossible.

Necron fleets are only defeated if they are vastly outnumbered. But as I said, their fleets are always small, though their sizes seem to increase with time.

Indeed. Having said that the activated Blackstone Fortresses were capable of taking out entire necron fleets in fluff and indeed were created to do so and take out a full power Ctan (IIRC when Eldrad boarded one during the 13th crusade it activated and destroyed the necron fleet with ease, shortly before he discovered it was Slaaneshi now..oops!). Whether Eldar could replicate such now is unlikely, but there are races/artifacts that have some interesting toys: the moonsized defense stations noted in the Sabbat Crusade, the special AM toys that appeared when the necrons landed on Mars, etc.

Brother Coa wrote:So in the end there is nothing that can beat Necron fleet?
What about Tau, I read somewhere that they once used some kind of EMP. Stun the entire Necron fleet then destroy it, and they have less than third of the Necron force.

Necron fleets are not invincible. Their ships are very rare. Which means that, in terms of game, they are very expensive. Their smallest escort costs 40 points! In comparison, the IoM's smallest ship, the Cobra-class Destroyer, only costs 25 points. This means that necrons are always outnumbered in space engagements. And actually, a characteristic of necron ships is that they have a very powerful armament, but can only target one or two enemy ships per turn. Which means that it is relatively easy to overwhelm them.

Finally, they lack any form of small attack craft. They have no fighters, bombers or torpedoes. And since they also don't have huge amounts of defense turrets, they are quite vulnerable to those attack craft.


So it is possible to beat necrons in space. it is just quite hard and you will always lose more ships than them.

But basically, if the necrons suddenly start using massive fleets, everyone in the galaxy is screwed.

Grey Templar wrote:so basically, they are screwed by Space marine fleets

And eldar/dark eldar. Torpedo surfing is fun as heck with them. Its great entertainment to start at the front as they launch, then bank around behind their ships like a fighter, all the while having their torpedoes following you.


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Laodamia wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:So in the end there is nothing that can beat Necron fleet?
What about Tau, I read somewhere that they once used some kind of EMP. Stun the entire Necron fleet then destroy it, and they have less than third of the Necron force.

Necron fleets are not invincible. Their ships are very rare. Which means that, in terms of game, they are very expensive. Their smallest escort costs 40 points! In comparison, the IoM's smallest ship, the Cobra-class Destroyer, only costs 25 points. This means that necrons are always outnumbered in space engagements. And actually, a characteristic of necron ships is that they have a very powerful armament, but can only target one or two enemy ships per turn. Which means that it is relatively easy to overwhelm them.

Finally, they lack any form of small attack craft. They have no fighters, bombers or torpedoes. And since they also don't have huge amounts of defense turrets, they are quite vulnerable to those attack craft.


So it is possible to beat necrons in space. it is just quite hard and you will always lose more ships than them.

But basically, if the necrons suddenly start using massive fleets, everyone in the galaxy is screwed.

One could argue that they don't have them, that thats one reason they are so shadowy. Its also noted if they start losing they pull out (which is a major method of winning in BFG against them). I have faith that our Ork brothers will once again save the galaxy, this time from necron scum. After all it literally is what they were born for!

the other thing about Cron ships is they are fast.


they can move almost twice as fast as other races ships, so they are good at hit and run attacks in BFG.

Actually, I just thought of something concerning the supposed crews of necron ships.

Necron ships must have a crew and a command centre, simply because, in the game, they have a command value that can be reduced, like any other ship from the IoM or the eldars.

Let me explain myself to those of you that don't play BFG.

In BFG, the command value of a ship represents the ability of a ship to obey the orders from its captain. This value can be reduced. For instance, if you blow up the bridge of a ship, you usually dramatically reduce its command value because you just killed 2/3rds of its officers.

And this is the same thing for necrons. If you blow up the sepulchre (which seems to act as a command bridge for the necrons) of a ship, you reduce its command value by two or three points (can't remember exactly). So necron ships seem to have a "command staff" manning the ship. But the rest of the ship could perfectly be functioning without any crew.

Does that makes sense? Or am I just an idiot that just made an absurd theory?

Laodamia wrote:Actually, I just thought of something concerning the supposed crews of necron ships.

Necron ships must have a crew and a command centre, simply because, in the game, they have a command value that can be reduced, like any other ship from the IoM or the eldars.

Let me explain myself to those of you that don't play BFG.

In BFG, the command value of a ship represents the ability of a ship to obey the orders from its captain. This value can be reduced. For instance, if you blow up the bridge of a ship, you usually dramatically reduce its command value because you just killed 2/3rds of its officers.

And this is the same thing for necrons. If you blow up the sepulchre (which seems to act as a command bridge for the necrons) of a ship, you reduce its command value by two or three points (can't remember exactly). So necron ships seem to have a "command staff" manning the ship. But the rest of the ship could perfectly be functioning without any crew.

Does that makes sense? Or am I just an idiot that just made an absurd theory?

That could just be a major CPU that gets hit. But then again you could be right, and if so, I want to see those Necrons

the Ship probably contains the equivilant of a large Tomb. it has a Necron Lord functioning as a captain and a command CPU equivilant for the command. it would also have a contingent of Warriors to defend against/initiate boarding actions.

Brother Coa wrote:So in the end there is nothing that can beat Necron fleet?
What about Tau, I read somewhere that they once used some kind of EMP. Stun the entire Necron fleet then destroy it, and they have less than third of the Necron force.

In an isolated battle yeah. The full might of the Necron fleet is unknown, but I'd imagine it would walk through every fleet at once. It was designed to cull life from the galaxy.

On the Tau fleet, those are the old ones. Essentially they're retrofitted exploration and freight conveyance ships with a few guns.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Battlefleet-Gothic?filter_action=3&filter_value=2

Post Taros, they have a brand new fleet including the Warden and Custodian ships...

GK Strike Cruiser!!!

o and the T'au stuff looks pretty cool too

Miraclefish wrote:On the Tau fleet, those are the old ones. Essentially they're retrofitted exploration and freight conveyance ships with a few guns.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Battlefleet-Gothic?filter_action=3&filter_value=2

Post Taros, they have a brand new fleet including the Warden and Custodian ships...

Yes, the tau's second generation ships are more powerful. The custodian, for example, has TWO sets of shields (yay!) [/applauding], a good hull armor, and some fancy extra special front shields that raise its frontal armor value. It is also faster than the older models. So, it is quite an acceptable ship. It would sure be able to put up a big fight against any Imperial cruiser, or even a battlecruiser.
But any battleship would blow it up to tiny, tiny pieces.

And, unfortunately, the tau still suck in cc, they still can't teleport troops and they still have no boarding craft (good for them actually, it prevents them for trying boarding actions).

But, tau ships are still ultra cheap (compared to other fleets). So they definitely got a lot better. And bear in mind that they improved their fleet extremely quickly. On the other hand, the IoM, Chaos, the eldars, etc are still fighting with the same ships since the HH. [/looking for some rope and a hanging spot]

Its ironc how necrons have the most powerful fleet ever yet the loose....Buts its beacus they are always out numbered, so I ant blame them Necrons.

Frazzled wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:so basically, they are screwed by Space marine fleets

And eldar/dark eldar. Torpedo surfing is fun as heck with them. Its great entertainment to start at the front as they launch, then bank around behind their ships like a fighter, all the while having their torpedoes following you.


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Laodamia wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:So in the end there is nothing that can beat Necron fleet?
What about Tau, I read somewhere that they once used some kind of EMP. Stun the entire Necron fleet then destroy it, and they have less than third of the Necron force.

Necron fleets are not invincible. Their ships are very rare. Which means that, in terms of game, they are very expensive. Their smallest escort costs 40 points! In comparison, the IoM's smallest ship, the Cobra-class Destroyer, only costs 25 points. This means that necrons are always outnumbered in space engagements. And actually, a characteristic of necron ships is that they have a very powerful armament, but can only target one or two enemy ships per turn. Which means that it is relatively easy to overwhelm them.

Finally, they lack any form of small attack craft. They have no fighters, bombers or torpedoes. And since they also don't have huge amounts of defense turrets, they are quite vulnerable to those attack craft.


So it is possible to beat necrons in space. it is just quite hard and you will always lose more ships than them.

But basically, if the necrons suddenly start using massive fleets, everyone in the galaxy is screwed.

One could argue that they don't have them, that thats one reason they are so shadowy. Its also noted if they start losing they pull out (which is a major method of winning in BFG against them). I have faith that our Ork brothers will once again save the galaxy, this time from necron scum. After all it literally is what they were born for!

Good point.
I thought the Blackstone fortresses were made by the Old Ones.