haywire grenades

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**Tmonster**

how many attacks can a model with haywire grenades make against a tank?

**bushido**

Just one per model.

Per the DE codex, they're used as normal to attack vehicles. Normal use in the rulebook is that a model using grenades can only ever make a single attack, regardless of their profile or bonuses.

**Mannahnin**

Exactly. Attacking a vehicle with a grenade, as defined in the main rulebook = 1 attack, instead of your regular number.

**Tmonster**

thanks, i will now not put them on my archon as it really is a waste if i could remain in a venom.
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**DaKKaLAnce**

Would it be a good idea to use them on walkers? Since most of the time you will need 6's to hit: /

**nixti**

Only if you wait till there immobilized.

**Biotox**

So, every model in a unit can use a grenade or is it specific to the DE codex? SM have Krak grenades by default. Can each marine use a grenade on a vehicle instead of their normal attack?

**bushido**

Wyches (for example) buy grenades at "x points per model." It's not a one per squad upgrade. If marines have krak grenades listed under their wargear alongside bolters and power armor, then it should work the same for them.

**Mannahnin**

SMs come standard with frag and krak nowadays (I think Black Templars are the only SM codex left which has to pay for them as upgrades).

Yes, each model which is equipped with a grenade can choose to use it against a vehicle rather than making their normal attacks.

**Biotox**

Well,

... I've been doing that wrong. LoL! Thanks for the clarification. I'll be using all of them on tanks now.

Blood for the Blood God! wait...

**Shenra**

DaKKaLAnce wrote:Would it be a good idea to use them on walkers? Since most of the time you will need 6's to hit: /

You never need a 6 to hit a walker...because they have a weapon skill...and the highest you need to hit someone with a weapon skill is 5.

**Exergy**

Shenra wrote:
DaKKaLAnce wrote:Would it be a good idea to use them on walkers? Since most of the time you will need 6's to hit: /

You never need a 6 to hit a walker...because they have a weapon skill...and the highest you need to hit someone with a weapon skill is 5.

yes but a walker that is immboilived you can hit its ear armor. Otherwise it goes on the front arc.

**ElCheezus**

Shenra wrote:
DaKKaLAnce wrote:Would it be a good idea to use them on walkers? Since most of the time you will need 6's to hit: /

You never need a 6 to hit a walker...because they have a weapon skill...and the highest you need to hit someone with a weapon skill is 5.

p73, 3rd paragraph. You need 6s to hit walkers with grenades unless they're immobile or stunned.

**Tylarion**

Shenra wrote:
DaKKaLAnce wrote:Would it be a good idea to use them on walkers? Since most of the time you will need 6's to hit: /

You never need a 6 to hit a walker...because they have a weapon skill...and the highest you need to hit someone with a weapon skill is 5.

When using grenades on non-immobilized walkers you need 6's to hit it instead of using your WS. Once it is immobilized, you can use your WS for grenades(pg.73)

**ElCheezus**

Exergy wrote:
Shenra wrote:
DaKKaLAnce wrote:Would it be a good idea to use them on walkers? Since most of the time you will need 6's to hit: /

You never need a 6 to hit a walker...because they have a weapon skill...and the highest you need to hit someone with a weapon skill is 5.

yes but a walker that is immboilived you can hit its ear armor. Otherwise it goes on the front arc.

p73, 2nd paragraph, 2nd sentence: You always hit front armor, even if it's immobile.

**Mannahnin**

Back in 3rd ed My Warlock with Witchblade leading a squad of Storm Guardians used to love zooming up in his wave serpent, hopping out, charging a dreadnought and hacking him in the Rear armor. He can still fight them, but not so easily nowadays. :(

**Kommissar Kel**

Another good thing to note is that unlike with other vehicles; if a higher I model manages to Stun/Immobilze a Walker the remainder still hit the walker only on 6's with grenades: the walker must begin the assault phase stunned/immobilized in order to hit it w/ WS.