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Hey all,

So I'm a Warmachine baby (been playing for a week) and wanted to post my first idea for a list. So the thought for it is a legion of heavy Jacks all clustering around and benefitting from Butcher's Full Throttle. I spend the first turn out of range and cast +3Damage, -1 ARM on all 3 jacks, and just pay upkeep and 3 focus for Full Throttle until I get stuck in combat. Honestly I don't even need to give all 3 Jacks the damage ability. Either way, here's the list:

pButcher

Decimator
Juggernaut
Destroyer

Dog

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20pts.

Thoughts? Thanks all.

The spell you are referring to- fury is only usable on 1 unit at a time since it is an upkeep spell. The second you cast it on a second unit it disappears from the first. See page 78 of the prime mkII rule book.

Ahah. Well, the strategy will still work either way. Thanks for the catch though!

Why the Decimator ? or Destroyer

butcher wants meele jacks wth him
How about
for 15 point
Butcher
3x Juggernaut, this would benefit from full throttle more

Fury is -1 DEF, not ARM, you can add 5 point of something
how about some infantry ? Like Man o War? they can screen butcher

If you really want to run jack legion, Karchev is very much the answer to the problem, He is made to run jacks, giving very little to the infantry, all the while making our jacks godly

Retrias wrote:


If you really want to run jack legion, Karchev is very much the answer to the problem, He is made to run jacks, giving very little to the infantry, all the while making our jacks godly

And he is a jack

Looks ok. Is 20 points a common format where you play also are your warjacks magnetised?

The Jacks I chose to use are really just there because those are the ones I have. Right now the only thing I have is the battle box, and I'm just looking to expand. I don't want to run Karchev because I don't feel like spending that kind of dough on a Warcaster. Warmachine is kind of a side project for me, with most of my resources devoted to my IG.

Also the reason I'm keen on a Decimator is because I play against Cryx a lot, and his auto-hit ability is really useful against high Def models. Thoughts?

If you magnetise your Decimator you can use it as a Juggernaut or Destroyer as well as a Decimator. Having two ranged warjacks and one melee warjacks isn't really playing to the Butcher's strengths. If you field a pair of Juggernauts and a Destroyer with the Butcher then you'll get more benefit from Full Throttle. With Full Throttle in play you shouldn't have much of a problem with high DEF as all your warjacks melee attacks will be boosted.

It will also free up two points for more models. With so many warjacks you could look into some Battle Mechanics or a Koldun Lord. You will also likely have 5 points to fill as most people will tend to play 25 points over 20.

Soladrin wrote:

Retrias wrote:


If you really want to run jack legion, Karchev is very much the answer to the problem, He is made to run jacks, giving very little to the infantry, all the while making our jacks godly

And he is a jack

I would say that the best way to describe Karchev is that

" Ummm He is Juggernaut, who is also a warcaster, who power attack for free and have a spray"

Karchev statline is basically
-1 arm
+2 defense
+1 MAT and RAT
loses Crit Freeze
Gain Reach and magical weapon
and Spray

Beyond all this He is basically a living Juggernaut who have focus and cast spell

Belerephon wrote:The Jacks I chose to use are really just there because those are the ones I have. Right now the only thing I have is the battle box, and I'm just looking to expand. I don't want to run Karchev because I don't feel like spending that kind of dough on a Warcaster. Warmachine is kind of a side project for me, with most of my resources devoted to my IG.

Also the reason I'm keen on a Decimator is because I play against Cryx a lot, and his auto-hit ability is really useful against high Def models. Thoughts?

The problem with the decimator is that he still has to land his first hit, and most of cryx's models (save for heavy jacks) are going to go down on that first hit anyway. With a jugg - you save points, get an extra attack to hit with, and your main weapon is more powerful meaning you are going to drop the heavy cryx jacks alot quicker.

I just think that a destroyer fills the same role but does it better due to it's aoe, which can be very handy against the cryx swarms and against the high DEF Ret infantry. A big issue is that the decimator still has RAT 4, so it is going to miss even mediocre DEF models often. it also drains focus, since you really need to spend 3 focus on it's gun every turn to make it anywhere near effective.


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Karchev is basically a warjack with all of the positives of being one (power attacks, tons of health boxes, powerful attacks etc etc) but none of the downsides (suffering cortex damage, limited to 3 focus, must stay in ctrl range to be effective etc) save for being a large model.

I think I read somewhere that there are three types of models in this game.

Warriors.
Warjacks.
Karchev.


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Honestly, I think you should just download vassal and play test the decimator to see if he does what you want. Just make sure you test several other jacks in place of it to see what works best.

Decimator have MAT 6, he is not hitting without boosting anyway
and you then have to buy new attacks, which is the same deal with other jacks

Decimator is "bad" Torch on the other hand is "good"
because it had everything the decimator need

Virtuoso
Gunfighter
three weapons
Higher Rat and Mat
and Immunity to fire and corrosion

Butcher Full Throttle and juggernaut makes a better hitter than A Decimator

Sounds good. Cheap Jacks and pButcher it is. Plus I've been doing some experimenting with throws and locks, and I have to say I like them.

You may want to buy a Kodiak if you like power attacks

Kodiak when hitting with both weapons, can make a power attack for FREE, it can run for FREE

Run Kodiak, Juggernaut, Berserker(to fill six point, or you can take MOW) and Butcher

That list is scary... but less scary than three jugernaut going down the field

Kodiaks are great jacks. They seem to be underpowered due to their weaker attacks, but they have excellent utility that makes up for it. Like retrias said: they run for free and they get a free power attack if they hit with both of their initial fist attacks. They also have pathfinder (a rare ability on heavy jacks) and they can vent clouds of steam that hurt living models around them while doubling as providing a cloud effect right ontop of them that can also screen models behind them.

Kodiaks are amazing, don't underestimate a free throw.

Butcher can mimic its run for free with Full Throttle. Its Pathfinder is priceless though.

Yes, but then you're defeating the purpose of having a FREE run. Less resources put into one thing leaves more things for others.

If any of your other jacks are planning to Run, Charge or Boost Melee attacks (including the Kodiak for boosting attacks) then you'll be casting full throttle anyway fairly often.

So yes, often the free run will be wasted with the Butcher.

However Full throttle is not only a free run, it's also boosted meele attack roll, making the Kodiak chance of hitting with both attacks better, it is also a free charge

Well as mentioned by Spiggott you might as well get a jack with more damage capacity, or at least take a look at a jack where you can get the most bang for your points.

I'm loving the advice guys. Thanks so much. I took a good look at Kodiak and I gotta say I'm impressed. I re-wrote the list for 25 pts, because it seems that's what people play around here. What do you all think? A lot of nastiness on the table, I feel.


pButcher -6
Juggernaut 7
Destroyer 9
Kodiak 8
Reavers 6
War Dog 1

Looks good, You could also look into the Berzerker as it also runs and charges for free. It's also 6 points, leaving you 2 free points to spend on a Manhunter, Widomaker marksman or Koldun Lord.

I wouldn't get a Destroyer actually, I would bring a new Juggernaut, remove the doom Reaver, and Bring on the MOW shock trooper to screen for butcher , you would then have 2 points to play arround, Maybe a Widomaker or a Manhunter

I already have the battlebox and the reavers. I'd like to keep using them.

Meh just a suggestion then, The battlebox is so out of my preference that I didn't start with them
You Destroyer wouldn't do anything much, it have ONE meele attack which mean It would only benefit from one booster roll from Full throttle, You won't run or charge with a destroyer.
But your list is your list, you are very much welcome to use it as you wish.

I would buy either the Reaver UA or Fenris if you want to use the Doom Reaver, near essential there

Retrias wrote:Meh just a suggestion then, The battlebox is so out of my preference that I didn't start with them
You Destroyer wouldn't do anything much, it have ONE meele attack which mean It would only benefit from one booster roll from Full throttle, You won't run or charge with a destroyer.
But your list is your list, you are very much welcome to use it as you wish

It can snipe troublesome solos and provide a fine screen for the Butcher; don't write off the Destroyer just yet. You are right in that it will benefit little from the Butcher's Full Throttle.