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"A unit must delare its assault against the unit it shot in the shooting phase"

first, what if the unit it shot, is dead, gone, whiped out. Can they assault another target?

Example. 30 ork shoota boys are within 6" of 2 combat squads of marines. They blast away at one of the units, they are lucky and cause 5 unsaved wounds(or after wound allocation everyone dies) Now the unit they shot at is dead, they cannot assault it. Are they allowed to assault the other unit?




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for this question, consider that the marines dont have Combat Tactics, because obviously shooting squads with combat tactics is the worst thing you can do before an assault.

Sorry - no. Even if you wipe them out, you can't assault a different target.

The only exception is destroying a transport and then assaulting the disembarked passengers.

Unfortunately if you wipe out the unit with shooting during the assault phase your just gotta sit there. Unless as Arctik pointed out if you do kill the transport you can assault the passengers.

As stated. No assault, except there is a specific exception given in the rules for if a unit pops a transport, THAT UNIT is allowed to assault the guys who came out.

Thanks, all. I was just checking. Lucky rolls and 'Combat Tactics' seem to make it really a bad idea to shoot at things if you want to assault. Maybe I should play all genestealer nids. I dont think they have this problem.

Can you elect not to take shots with some of your units to preserve the unit you are shooting at so as to charge them?

I've done this before so I could get a multi-charge off on a weakened unit + vehicle.

Yes, you are allowed to shoot with only certain models if you like. The restriction is against models that ARE shooting from not firing as much as possible, i.e. assault 4 weapons must fire 4 times, there is not a (general) requirement to actually fire said weapon.

kirsanth wrote:Yes, you are allowed to shoot with only certain models if you like. The restriction is against models that ARE shooting from not firing as much as possible, i.e. assault 4 weapons must fire 4 times, there is not a (general) requirement to actually fire said weapon.

haha, don't know how much my opponent would like that "oh I'm only going to shoot 2 of these psycannon shots instead of 4, just to make sure I get you down to 1 model "

daedalus-templarius wrote:haha, don't know how much my opponent would like that "oh I'm only going to shoot 2 of these psycannon shots instead of 4, just to make sure I get you down to 1 model "

As much as my opponents like it when I shoot with only half my gants so that the target does not get cover because of the half that cannot see the target anyway.

Exactly. Choosing not to fire with some models in your unit is a standard and sanctioned tactic.

If some Sisters of Battle want to assault an enemy unit, they will probably want to shoot their meltaguns or flamers, but not fire their bolters, as that would prevent the assault.

If you have ten models in the SM squad my CSMs are about to assault, I might just fire my meltaguns so that I have a chance to kill a couple but no chance of causing enough casualties to allow a combat tactics fallback.

If my squad of CSMs is taking cover behind their Rhino and trying to kill an enemy squad, I might choose to only fire with my guys who have clear LOS (and not the ones whose view is partially obscured by my own Rhino), thus denying you cover saves.

I need to check the rules, but i don't remember cover working that way. Regardless of how many of your models fire don't you have to calculate cover based on how much of your unit can see his unit? Fairly certain that you cannot pull that trick.

Leprousy wrote:I need to check the rules, but i don't remember cover working that way. Regardless of how many of your models fire don't you have to calculate cover based on how much of your unit can see his unit? Fairly certain that you cannot pull that trick.

its the models firing, not all models in the unit. but all shooting happens at the same time, so you cant get cover from some weapons and not others.

Leprousy wrote:I need to check the rules, but i don't remember cover working that way. Regardless of how many of your models fire don't you have to calculate cover based on how much of your unit can see his unit? Fairly certain that you cannot pull that trick.

I think it does work, it specifies "firing models" in the rule book

The rulebook is very clear that it's based on the LOS of the firing models, not all the models in the firing unit.

All right. Thats a good trick know.