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Everyone needs to take a deep breath and calm down.

It was never my intention to stifle over anyone's creative process or plans, it was my understanding that the Majority of players were taking up new forces. As such I figured that a cha!nge in the time scale would not be such a big deal.

As for what little has already been pre-written it is left completely open for any player or faction to use. Essentially extra plot points for your writing. As for the secretive nature of some of the crusades details it was intended to intrigue not to insult. As for character development restrictions I was never aware of any, the chaos forces requested their deployment in the mountains I had intended to allow any other force to deploy just as freely. In short I ask for a bit of faith in myself and TS as we are only trying to craft the best possible setting for you guys.

 chazz huggins wrote:
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and calm down.

It was never my intention to stifle over anyone's creative process or plans, it was my understanding that the Majority of players were taking up new forces. As such I figured that a cha!nge in the time scale would not be such a big deal.

As for what little has already been pre-written it is left completely open for any player or faction to use. Essentially extra plot points for your writing. As for the secretive nature of some of the crusades details it was intended to intrigue not to insult. As for character development restrictions I was never aware of any, the chaos forces requested their deployment in the mountains I had intended to allow any other force to deploy just as freely. In short I ask for a bit of faith in myself and TS as we are only trying to craft the best possible setting for you guys.

Thanks for the message Chazz. I have faith in the story. I'm glad to see that it ties in with the last crusade, something I hadn't thought of

I'm just happy that I went with entirely new forces, so for me it didn't matter if it was 1 year or 100, but I do understand where the others are coming from with their complaints. But I'm not going to place blame on anyone. As someone who's helped to GM DnD sessions in the past I know that coming up with a story and universe can be immensely difficult, so I for one applaud what Chazz and TS have done so far. Would I like some background on the planet we're on and what may have happened here? Certainly. But I'm willing to wait and see. And the Imperial forces are welcome to deploy on the 2nd moon. At the moment it's mostly just me and Kharne on that moon, the other CSM forces will just have some equipment and quarters on the moon for if they want to store some guys there. Have some faith guys, it'll all work out.

I didn't mean for it to look that way, but I wasn't mad at anyone. I was just trying to figure out what sort of rules and background we would be dealing with. The time line only changed if WK got Falkon or his kid, for my part, but it definitely screwed over some other factions in certain ways. That's why we wanted to get details; not a lack of faith, I'm sure this crusade will turn out great, without hesitation, but if we're getting changes to it, we'd like to know why. The storyline came off (to me anyway, and I have a tendency to look into things too much) as a huge deal, and possibly even had the majority of the crusade centered around it. I'm completely fine with having it, and it's always great to have more background and insight to the lands, but I appreciate the freedom of the crusade as well, which we have as it turns out.

I think the biggest problem wasn't the ideas themselves, but a lack of proper communication. The FAQ is a great start to change that, and perhaps we can get some more background on general stuff of the planet and such. Then again, that stuff is probably going to be in the intro anyway, so mentioning it may very well be redundant. But, like I said, communication is key, so I'd rather have it say more than once than not at all.

Since I was one of the more vocal ones about this, I feel I should apologise for all the fuss I've kicked up.

Even though it didn't affect me, I could imagine how certain players bringing men through the two crusades would be affected, and the subsequent lack of communication just fostered more disagreement. I understand the importance of a story, but not at the player's expense. It just felt like too many things were being left in the dark, things which directly affected players without any real explanation.

This campaign feels far more narratively driven, which should be fine, but will certainly be a huge deviation from the first crusade. As long as the story details are flexible and allow us to pretty much do what we want regardless, I won't have an issue.

I'll just echo what 2BlackJack1 said, communication, especially as to plot points that affect what we can and can't do, is essential. It's not nice being kept in the dark and unable to do anything about it.

I apologise for the stress I've caused to TS, fielding that frustration, but I'm not going to apologise for being irritated.
Effectively killing off anyone who doesn't initially warp/time travel in from CoF means nobody can decide to bring back old forces later, which removes any point of even having it in the same universe.
If that had been apparent from day one, great. As it was: not great. Poor show.

Your maps are bitchin, your plans are undoubtedly cool. But it's starting to feel a bit like a punishment to accommodate your various ideas from this end.

Moving on... The FAQ mentions moving in and out of enemy areas can unseat the people in them.
Would an opposing roll make sense so that there's a chance to defend? If someone has set up a base, would they just lose it entirely? Or would their base be a stronghold in the enemy territory?

What happens if the invaded area is the tip of a coast, where does the force retreat to?

Not complaining, trying to understand.

Great chunk by the way BC.

I'd assume bases are protected and there's a serious negative modified for attacking one.

We never had time to expand on it, but the receptionist was a cultist. Her death is more of a nod to Smudge, and an explanation as to how Sovereign > Trisburg leaks were happening.

Sounds like you had a great plot lined up. Be interested however you tackle ad mech. :-)

My marines are a tad less well ploty, the wolf lord is straight up, but cunning.
I'm playing the whole, we are barbarians, you never expected us to have taken notice of all this.

From a wiki description of how legion worked. No one expected them to use all the infomation, and reasoning. Thinking mere barbarians not elite warriors who take in all, from scents to sub conchpus ticks

Ideally I'd have joined a month earlier, but such is life - I was travelling too much.
I have another post, and that won't make a grand deal of sense alone, because it depended on having more time as well.
After the final battle, I'll do a clean up and hopefully put the "wtf?" to bed.

Also, commissar cuddles. Dawww.

No worries, in a short time your stuff was good quality, great charrecters and well cannot help life.

If you read my early stuff, took me a while to get style right, they where far more 2d on first pages.

Just one tip. My wolf lord utterly hates those who lie to his face.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Moving on... The FAQ mentions moving in and out of enemy areas can unseat the people in them.
Would an opposing roll make sense so that there's a chance to defend? If someone has set up a base, would they just lose it entirely? Or would their base be a stronghold in the enemy territory?

What happens if the invaded area is the tip of a coast, where does the force retreat to?

Not complaining, trying to understand.

And these are the questions I was looking for.

An opposed roll for defending would happen. If you had a base in that sector, I think you would get some modifiers for defending.

Nobody expects the Imperial Inquisition!


And on the defense note: Would it be something like

My CSM take a territory, and then I assume I automatically get to place a minibase or some gak like that in it.

Then let's say that irish moves onto that space in an attempt to take it from me. We both then roll off to see who succeeds in their attempt? And then we both do a wrtite up?

 War Kitten wrote:
Nobody expects the Imperial Inquisition!


And on the defense note: Would it be something like

My CSM take a territory, and then I assume I automatically get to place a minibase or some gak like that in it.

Then let's say that irish moves onto that space in an attempt to take it from me. We both then roll off to see who succeeds in their attempt? And then we both do a wrtite up?

With how many people are in the Crusade, I am going to say no mini bases.

You both roll. if both succeed, you roll again. A critical success will always beat a regular success. If both are critical successes, roll again.
If you both fail, you get attacked by wild life and must vacate the sector.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Moving on... The FAQ mentions moving in and out of enemy areas can unseat the people in them.
Would an opposing roll make sense so that there's a chance to defend? If someone has set up a base, would they just lose it entirely? Or would their base be a stronghold in the enemy territory?

What happens if the invaded area is the tip of a coast, where does the force retreat to?

Not complaining, trying to understand.

And these are the questions I was looking for.

An opposed roll for defending would happen. If you had a base in that sector, I think you would get some modifiers for defending.

If you were absolutely dead set on not moving (say some crazy loon went after my Admech base), could you stay and suffer massive modifiers for activities until you left or fought them off?
Some bases are just basier than others. Plus if you were in the middle of the map, getting kicked out constantly by people walking through would suck.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
Nobody expects the Imperial Inquisition!


And on the defense note: Would it be something like

My CSM take a territory, and then I assume I automatically get to place a minibase or some gak like that in it.

Then let's say that irish moves onto that space in an attempt to take it from me. We both then roll off to see who succeeds in their attempt? And then we both do a wrtite up?

With how many people are in the Crusade, I am going to say no mini bases.

You both roll. if both succeed, you roll again. A critical success will always beat a regular success. If both are critical successes, roll again.
If you both fail, you get attacked by wild life and must vacate the sector.

I didn't mean base in that sense. I was thinking more like DOW, where after you took a territory you could "fortify" it to make it harder to take. Something like that.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Moving on... The FAQ mentions moving in and out of enemy areas can unseat the people in them.
Would an opposing roll make sense so that there's a chance to defend? If someone has set up a base, would they just lose it entirely? Or would their base be a stronghold in the enemy territory?

What happens if the invaded area is the tip of a coast, where does the force retreat to?

Not complaining, trying to understand.

And these are the questions I was looking for.

An opposed roll for defending would happen. If you had a base in that sector, I think you would get some modifiers for defending.

If you were absolutely dead set on not moving (say some crazy loon went after my Admech base), could you stay and suffer massive modifiers for activities until you left or fought them off?
Some bases are just basier than others. Plus if you were in the middle of the map, getting kicked out constantly by people walking through would suck.

Yes, this would be the case. Think of it like being sieged.

 War Kitten wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
Nobody expects the Imperial Inquisition!


And on the defense note: Would it be something like

My CSM take a territory, and then I assume I automatically get to place a minibase or some gak like that in it.

Then let's say that irish moves onto that space in an attempt to take it from me. We both then roll off to see who succeeds in their attempt? And then we both do a wrtite up?

With how many people are in the Crusade, I am going to say no mini bases.

You both roll. if both succeed, you roll again. A critical success will always beat a regular success. If both are critical successes, roll again.
If you both fail, you get attacked by wild life and must vacate the sector.

I didn't mean base in that sense. I was thinking more like DOW, where after you took a territory you could "fortify" it to make it harder to take. Something like that.

But this is a slower paced Narrative. If you had one person who posted once a day, they would control the entire map in no time.

I'm tempted to switch to DG or IW...

but I like pre-heresy ideals so I'll stick with my 1K Sons

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I'm tempted to switch to DG or IW...

but I like pre-heresy ideals so I'll stick with my 1K Sons

I don't think you could portray IW accurately.

He maybe could.. Have a little faith TS. But if he goes DG he might be competing with 2BJ1 for Nurgle's love

 War Kitten wrote:
He maybe could.. Have a little faith TS. But if he goes DG he might be competing with 2BJ1 for Nurgle's love

Key words were "I think" and "could."

I gave him the benefit of doubt.

Oh ye of little faith.

 War Kitten wrote:
Oh ye of little faith.

I have strong faith, but past experience would tell me Kharne might not be suited to write about IW. I wouldn't expect Payton Manning to be good at basketball, would I?

Edit: Do not take this as an attack, Kharne.

Are there going NPC factions to punch around?

 Bobthehero wrote:
Are there going NPC factions to punch around?

Are there going to be NPC factions punching you around?

The trees... They will punch you around.

Note to self: Burn down all the trees

 War Kitten wrote:
Note to self: Burn down all the trees

Not if they grow faster than you can burn them.

Vindicaator.
Or as now being used also as bulldozers.

Seige shields plus powerful engines.i have a bulldozer.