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In the example below, models A,B and C are part of the same unit. there is a Leman Russ battle tank off camera firing from the direction of the arrow. I have moved model A to the window so you can see him but he was infact where the number 1 was well hidden in the buidling.
Can the LR target that level of the building and kill him? (it obviuosly cannot fire through wall 1 or the one to the left of it but it can certainly target through the window above the end of the red arrow).

I ask because in the game no one could target A because he was so well hidden so the idea was for another squad to blow away B&C and the LR template kill A (I dont think it can btw)




ooo post 666 scary.

Depends, I believe on how you treat the terrain. I believe 5th ed demands TLOS even in what used to be considered area terrain. This rules get a little too restrictive on game play at times and so many gaming groups et al. will house rule it to use area terrain rules.

If TLOS then no shooting through walls for either player.

If area terrain then unit in building may shoot and receives a cover save from enemies firing at them.

Also, if the terrain peace has been classified at the beginning of the game as "a building" then it must be of a certain type to give it an AV and can be shot at.

1) That would be a ruin--you can never* target a unit in a building.

2) If the model cannot be seen, it cannot be targeted.

3) If any model in a unit can be seen, it can be targeted--other models in that unit can be wounded, however, even if they cannot be seen or targeted.

With blast/templates you would have to hit the most possible models in the unit, regardless; which would probably be B&C--assuming they are visible.

@ kir Yes I was arguing point number 2. Cant see him, cant shoot him, cant kill him?

So in the case of point 3 if the LR had opened up with say its HBs and caused 4 wounds (all saves of which were failed), model A would be killed and hence the whole squad removed?

Assuming B and(/or) C can be seen and are within range, yes.

Editing to add:
Main rules, page 24.

"Any more in the target unit can be hit, wounded, and taken off as a casualty, even models that are completely out of line of sight or out of range of all the firerers."

kirsanth wrote:1) That would be a ruin--you can never* target a unit in a building.

Incorrect, template weapons can hit units in buildings.

As for the example, you choose the level you wish to hit and then work out the shot normally. You only hit models on that level.

Also, wraithlords on square bases?

juraigamer wrote:

kirsanth wrote:1) That would be a ruin--you can never* target a unit in a building.

Incorrect, template weapons can hit units in buildings.

Which is why I wrote "target" instead of "hit" or "wound".


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juraigamer wrote:you choose the level you wish to hit and then work out the shot normally. You only hit models on that level.

For blast and templates, this is true.

Otherwise, not so much.

The whole level thing is for ruins only. If its a bulding you have to treat it like a vehicle and give it an AV. The windows of the building are like the fire points. So just like a vehicle you cant shoot the squad inside through their fire point.

y0disisray wrote:The windows of the building are like the fire points. So just like a vehicle you cant shoot the squad inside through their fire point.

This is not true, actually--depending on how you mean it. See juraigamer's post prior to mine earlier.

Editing to add:
Re-reading my second sentence in this post makes me laugh.

juraigamer wrote:
Also, wraithlords on square bases?

That would be "The model and the base it is supplied with".

Yes, once upon a time, Eldar Dreadnoughts (for such is what they were called prior to the 3rd edition) came on a 40mm SQUARE monster base.
So did SM dreadnoughts and IG sentinels.

Although new models have replaced them and their bases, there is NO rule stating that old models MUST be rebased to current standards - because there is nothing that lists what the "standard" base is for each model type. Hell, even Fantasy doesn't do this under 8th ed anymore.

What chromedog said, those models were bought circa 1995 and I've spent enough money on GW since then without replacing their bases

Thanks for the clarifications peeps, I'll defintely need to reread buidlings vs ruins etc.