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UNSTOPPABLE GUARD 2000pts

for this you need 9 LR tanks all with side sponsers (7 punnishers with LC and 2 vanqishers with LC (vanquishers in the different squadrens) for best result) and a tablt that is no more than 41" wide

take your nine tanks in 3 squadrons two vet squads and one command squad this comes to 1870pts ( with the suggesgion above) and beef up with the extra 130pts

line up you tanks so they are side by side as close as you can get them and as close to the back as you can get
hense they can only see the front 14 armour and nothing can deepstrike behind and not much will get close enough into combat consentrat on AT units fisrt

this should work but it is only a theory and VERY expensive to buy

have fun

P.S. sorry for all the spelling mistakes

Deepstriking tactics like Termicide, Sternguard in Pods with 5+ meltas, Blood Angels DoA and so on can easily close the distance gap to your tanks, and anything that has Melta as a rule is not that afraid of AV14, either.

Nevertheless, a scary looking tactic definitely, albeit very defensive.

Uh, and sticking Punishers (S5 AP-) and Vanquisher (S8 AP2 2d6 pen) in the SAME SQUADRON where they have to fire at the same target is NOT RECOMMENDABLE in any case.

Obvious troll is obvious?

The punnishers and vanquishers in the same unit give ulimate flexibility. If you put the vanquishers in the same unit you can only effectively kill one tank a turn, but in different squads you can take out two.

Chance of a Vanquisher wrecking/destroying an AV13 target with main cannon (Predator, Vindicator): 1/2 * 16/36 * 1/3 = 7.4%
Chance of a Vanquisher wrecking/destroying an AV13 target with lascannon (Predator, Vindicator): 1/2 * 1/3 * 1/3 = 5.6%

Putting two of those tanks together gives you at least a SLIGHT chance at actually destroying stuff. Putting them in different squadrons to HOPE to kill two targets at that odds while WASTING 40 Punisher shots per squadron on the target is atrociously ineffective.

I see your point this army is best against larly infanty armys eg the tyranids and some ork army's and some mmarine armys.

I'd do it with 2 squads of 3 LRMBT and 3 Executioners all with no sponsons. That way you can line them up side by side to totally deny side armor, otherwise with sponsons you can usually see side armor even if they're side by side.

Take the extra points from the sponsons and you can buy chimeras for a CCS, PCS and infantry squads, then use them to block off the side.

You can then buy blob squads of regular infantry to screen the front of your tanks and stop deep striking units getting anywhere near you.

*edit: Never trust mathhammer, it's no substitute for guts and glory.

More Dakka wrote:I'd do it with 2 squads of 3 LRMBT and 3 Executioners all with no sponsons. That way you can line them up side by side to totally deny side armor, otherwise with sponsons you can usually see side armor even if they're side by side.

Take the extra points from the sponsons and you can buy chimeras for a CCS, PCS and infantry squads, then use them to block off the side.

You can then buy blob squads of regular infantry to screen the front of your tanks and stop deep striking units getting anywhere near you.

*edit: Never trust mathhammer, it's no substitute for guts and glory.

This is the kind of army fluffy Guard probably does. Always how I've envisioned the IG, a wall of tanks with lots of meaty shields in front to stop charges while the big guns fire over their heads.

Also, first time posting in the tactics section. I don't do the gaming part of the hobby but it's kinda fun to read about.

JamesMclaren123 wrote:I see your point this army is best against larly infanty armys eg the tyranids and some ork army's and some mmarine armys.

the Current meta is Mech.


regular Russes with Battle Cannons would be more effective against infantry and tanks.


a better squadron loadout would be 2 regular Russes and 1 LR demolisher. all with lascannons.


that way, you have 2 Str8 Pies and 1 Str10. you also have 3 Str9 shots at long range for taking out enemy tanks.


Punisher's are absolute gak.

Squadrons are not very good for vehilces that mostly want to shoot. Why?

Because Immobilized = Wrecked if you are in a squadron. Immobilized is the BEST damage table result you can get for shooting vehicles. It is the ONLY one that lets you shoot next turn. Now EVERY glance or Pen will keep you from shooting something next turn.

So all of that AV14 can be wrecked by glances now.


Squadrons are best for vehicles like Killa Kans. They want to move forward, and squads keep them moving.


The "unbeatable" IG armies are out there. Leaf Blower, Mech Vets, or even Blob Guard.



This AV14 wall is a noob killing army. They did not bring enough Melta guns or close combat attacks to attack the rear armor. You will win.

Against ANY compotent opponent wil a true TAC list, then you will be a very sad as your unbalanced list fails to work.

Yeah, you lost all cred at "7 punnishers with LC and 2 vanqishers with LC".

Partially because that many punishers and vanquishers (more than zero) is crazy, and not in the good way, partially because you're advocating lascannons on punishers, and also partially because "u" follows "q".

Vanquishers are semi useful, but they're too expensive to be competitive. I love my Vanquisher, but I recognize I could probably buy something more useful with the points.

The idea od squadroning Punishers AND Vanquishers together is idiotic. You're wasting one tanks shooting no matter what. Either the Vanquisher shell is being wasted against something, or the Punisher shots are being wasted. This is not a competitive list, and is in no way unstoppable. For one, in any objective game, all your opponent has to do is claim one objective, sit there and hunker down while you blast away ineffectively. You can't invest in enough good troops to really fight, and you've got an extremely toy-heavy list, and this is coming from a thread head.

You really want an all tank army? Find an opponent who'll let you use Forge World's tank company rules. Then spam RUsses to your hearts delight.

I can see something like Land Raider spam ruining this list.

i think you should put a conga line of conscripts in front of the tanks, that would complement this army perfectly.

Any army that can clear bubble wrap and then get a first turn assault will have free wins against this army. It also falls apart in DoW deployment, Spearhead, or any mission where your army needs to move at all.

They don't even need Land Raider spam. Have a Drop Pod come in with a multimelta dread, or combi melta Sternguard. Have a couple Vendettas swoop in with melta vets. ANY player who wasn't brand new and terrified of the tanks would be able to take this army down easily. You don't even have to kill the tanks to win, unless you roll up annhilation.

Actually, yeah, you could just ignore the tanks and thus ignore a large portion of his army. Even with the large volume of S5 fire and lascannon shots the tanks really won't be bringing a huge amount of damage for the wasted point. This gets even worse for the list if the table has any LoS blocking cover as the tanks won't even be able to turn to find a halfway decent shot.

I agree with all above. Punisher is actually really bad. You say, 20 shots, cool! But remember, you are guard. Half of those miss, anouther third fail to wound, and even orks get their armour save. If you really wanna roll with 9 russes, the viable russ patterns are battle tanks, demolishers, and executioners. I would go with just 2 per squadron if you really want to run a ton of russes, and make one squadron demos and the other two battle cannons.

I'll be honest, I'd be much more scared of 6 Russes and 3 squad of Mech Meltavets than I would be of 9 Ruses and barebones Vets.

LRBTs cost a lot for the amount of firepower they put out. In exchange, they gain quality against long range shooting. In close (especially in assault), squadrons of russes die faster than squads of conscripts, except the tanks cost way more.

In the end, you have an army that is really low on firepower, and really low on all but long-range durability.

This guard army is so stoppable, I'd be really surprised if it made it through a game without being stopped.

It will definitely have problems with drop pod armies, BA armies would have a field day. Same with Nid armies with mawlocs

instead of Punishers, why not Executioners?

Either you are sorely mistaken or this is just a pathetic attempt to get people to respond to ur threads.

One Blood Angel Libby could DOA in and take out half this army with Blood Lance.

Two Libbys and that could be the game over on the BA's first turn

Commissar Typhus wrote:Either you are sorely mistaken or this is just a pathetic attempt to get people to respond to ur threads.

WTF what is wrong with you unless you didn't read it properly it is a Theory. Why the hell are you so vindictive and spiteful. If you don't have anything constructive to say, then say nothing, don't get involved. Is you life so boreing you have to create arguments with strangers on the internet.

JamesMclaren123 wrote:

Commissar Typhus wrote:Either you are sorely mistaken or this is just a pathetic attempt to get people to respond to ur threads.

WTF what is wrong with you unless you didn't read it properly it is a Theory. Why the hell are you so vindictive and spiteful. If you don't have anything constructive to say, then say nothing, don't get involved. Is you life so boreing you have to create arguments with strangers on the internet.

Dude, Chill ya beans

You posted a thread with Capital Letters. Thats already Irked 50% of the people who see your thread. And the people who geuinely look, look at it, and see they have wasted their time reading it.

i should point out that this is an army for annihilation games and doesn't realy work for any other game tyes without serious adjustmens

I see what you mean by the drop infantry but the vets and any thing else you buy act as a screen for drop infantry.

the reason why i took punnishers and vanquishers is to get rid of the Gaurds scater weapons which can make it hard to target specific units that would cause you a problem, eg a ravager, SM devistators and so on.

the punnishers are really there to put a large volume of fire down they are also str 5 so its wounding most stuff on a 2 or a 3

The main tactic involed is the armour line where you can only see the front armour

JamesMclaren123 wrote:
WTF what is wrong with you unless you didn't read it properly it is a Theory. Why the hell are you so vindictive and spiteful. If you don't have anything constructive to say, then say nothing, don't get involved. Is you life so boreing you have to create arguments with strangers on the internet.

Then your theory is sorely mistaken, and every IG player on the forum says that it's not going to work.

There's a reason the feared IG army is Vendetta or Chimera spam, not Leman Russ spam.

ChrisWWII wrote:

JamesMclaren123 wrote:
WTF what is wrong with you unless you didn't read it properly it is a Theory. Why the hell are you so vindictive and spiteful. If you don't have anything constructive to say, then say nothing, don't get involved. Is you life so boreing you have to create arguments with strangers on the internet.

Then your theory is sorely mistaken, and every IG player on the forum says that it's not going to work.

There's a reason the feared IG army is Vendetta or Chimera spam, not Leman Russ spam.

True dat. Op, I would listen to what the people on here are saying. Most of them know their stuff. My advice? Cut down to 2 russes per squadron, and make them battle cannons and demos.

JamesMclaren123 wrote:i should point out that this is an army for annihilation games and doesn't realy work for any other game tyes without serious adjustmens

I see what you mean by the drop infantry but the vets and any thing else you buy act as a screen for drop infantry.

the reason why i took punnishers and vanquishers is to get rid of the Gaurds scater weapons which can make it hard to target specific units that would cause you a problem, eg a ravager, SM devistators and so on.

the punnishers are really there to put a large volume of fire down they are also str 5 so its wounding most stuff on a 2 or a 3

The main tactic involed is the armour line where you can only see the front armour

Yet even with such a volume of fire a pair of Punishers and a Vanquisher shooting at a Space Marine combat squad with everything will wipe it, but in doing so they've killed a unit worth no more than 150 points with a unit worth 620 points. You also have an army that has devoted 2000 points to killing at most 3 squads or vehicles per turn. In short, your theory never had a shot to begin with simply because while you're almost certainly going to have issues cracking transports the enemy won't have many issues with nailing your tanks with squads that spend points being good at killing tanks. You also have no ability to respond to a refused flank where the enemy places everything on one side and leaves most of your tanks out of range with their 24" range either forcing you to break your formation making what is already a bad idea worse.

Frankly nothing about your entire idea has any real merit.