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Me and my friend were having a arguement about whether these models are at the table top standard or not. What do you guys think?

Quite definitely up to use on the tabletop.

yup

Tabletop standard? Yeah.

But there's some work needing to be done. Such as actually flocking the entire base and not sticking flock onto the model proper.

I dont usually flock the sides of the base if thats what you mean but yes i do plan to go over them again and cover the hard to reach places on the models.

There's blank spots directly under the model, that's what I mean.

Yep i'll sort that out soon ;D

100% yes.

Good stuff, Im just in the process of fixing them small errors with the flock and tiny little problems if anybody cares ;D

I think they would do better to have their horns a different color than their fur. I'm guessing from above (where you would normally be looking at them) the just look black primed with a heavy drybrush.

So in that case, I wouldn't call them very table top ready.

I see where your coming from and i think i went a little too far with the wash because i did actually paint the horns in a skull white colour mixed with a little bestial brown. Ill go back to it at some point.

I personally think they're fine, 'table top standard' is a fairly ambiguous term that varies in definition greatly depending on who you're asking.

Yeah true i suppose its the users own opinon and the people whom he/she is playng with to decide if it is suitable on the tabletop.

Tabletop standard is a very subjective term; one person's TT standard is another's half-completed model; I personally consider a model with 3 different colours on it (obviously painted, not just 3 brush strokes of colour) to be table-top ready; in my opinion flock is an optional extra that I don't much care for myself, similarly so with painting the base.

With all that in mind, i'd consider them very much TT-ready and a damn-sight better painted than some of the models i've seen people using.

They are not grey or all primer so yes

Definitely tabletop standard.

Fair enough

Tabletop means that it looks good from a distance on the tabletop. What that exactly entails differs from person to person, but I think there is a fairly widely accepted definition of tabletop standard. That is:

Neatly painted colors with one extra technique (shading, or dipping, or drybrushing highlighting, etc) and some kind of texture on the base.

Your models meet tabletop in that you have the requisite neat painted models with a drybrush and exceed tabletop in that you actually have more than one texture on your bases.

For better or for worse, GW has played a large part in raising the bar for what is considered tabletop quality miniatures.

How have they 'raised the bar' exactly?

By producing better models, for example NMM, OSL and other techinques. That and the WD battle reports use 'Eavy metal models and that's a tabletop thus hinting that's there standard...

I hope that's what he meant anyway.

Possibly but i dont think its exactly what he meant.

Eilif wrote:For better or for worse, GW has played a large part in raising the bar for what is considered tabletop quality miniatures.

I would counter that GW has done the exact opposite. The vast majority of GW games are played with sprue grey minis, or primed minis. They have relxed and/or gotten rid of almost all rules of having to have painted models in their stores.

To the OP, your models look great and are definately Tabletop Standard, if not above. The minor details people have been pointing out are just that, minor details, and are just being overly nitpicky.

I have found that too after seeing many people playing with unpainted/unfinished models in store which is great for people like me who rarely get round to painting the models with such a busy lifestyle. On your second point about the OP i agree that these are only small details but being a perfectionist with my models i will get round to these flaws.

ChaosWarhound wrote:How have they 'raised the bar' exactly?

Tabletop used to simply mean "looks good from a distance on the table" or even more vaguely, "painted well enough that you'd put it on the table". Now many folks, especially those entering the table have a much higher standard for "tabletop"

Through the massive presence they have in the wargaming world, via WD, GW stores, and their website, GW has helped rasied the bar of what folks consider "tabletop" or standard paintjob in the following areas:

1) Basing. It used to be just sand and a drybrush. Now many folks seem to feel that it's got to have multiple elements (sand, foliage, rocks, etc) to be tabletop.

2) Paint. It used to be just block painting and maybe a wash was enough. (though many folks did more) Now it seems that there has to be hightlighting, shading and washes for it to be tabletop standard.

I said "better or worse" because it's good that the hobby progresses, and there's no doubt that WD and Heavy Metal have rasied the bar hobby-wide, by setting a visual standard that other games have to match. On the other hand it's a pretty high and intimidating standard for a newbie to be hit with when they join the hobby. Mitigating the intimidation factor of this standard are the basic paintjobs pictured in some of the starter kits and the fact that GW makes no attempt to raise the standard of miniatures placed on their gaming tables.

Tabletop painted, from a tournament perspective, is typically at least 3 painted colors (meaning, not just 3 brushstrokes of different colors). Anything beyond that, including flocking, is where you start getting into higher painting scores.

I would say your models, while pretty basic (and so are mine!), are up to tabletop standard.

Fair comments, thanks for your feedback

they are suitable for tabletop standard