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yes, this is the ard boys list for guys on a budget.

HQ
Lord Driago [275]
Librarian [180][3 Servo skulls, Quickening, Communion, Vortex of doom]

Elites

Vindicare [145]


Troops


5 Paladins [380]
- Apothecary with Narcathiem and force sword
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Falchions
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Halberd
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Daemon Hammer
- Paladins with Psycannon and halberd

5 Paladins [380]
- Apothecary with Narcathiem and force sword
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Falchions
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Halberd
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Daemon Hammer
- Paladins with Psycannon and halberd

5 Paladins [380]
- Apothecary with Narcathiem and force sword
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Falchions
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Halberd
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Daemon Hammer
- Paladins with Psycannon and halberd

5 Paladins [380]
- Apothecary with Narcathiem and force sword
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Falchions
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Halberd
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Daemon Hammer
- Paladins with Psycannon and halberd

5 Paladins [380]
- Apothecary with Narcathiem and force sword
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Falchions
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Halberd
- Paladins with Storm bolter and Daemon Hammer
- Paladins with Psycannon and halberd


Total: 2500

With 5 squads of paladins, wouldnt it be better to combine 4 of them into 2 units of ten? The saved 150 points can get a lot of psycannons. Libby methinks should always take shrouding and maybe sanctuary or might of titan. Not sure how effective this army would be going against say +7 vehicle lists unless you get lucky with DS

well it's a poor mans ard boyz list, I don't think it'd be expected to win much. my real ard boys is something like a few squads of full str normal terminators some purgation squads and a dreadknight with a grand master.

I actually agree here. I think 2x units of 10 with 4x Psycannons each would really improve your ranged firepower and reduce your kill points. You could also spend some of those points on Brotherhood Banners, which would give you a large number of extra attacks.

10 paladins can't have 4 psycannons can they?

gendoikari87 wrote:10 paladins can't have 4 psycannons can they?

Yep, they can, it's 2 per 5 on paladins, terminators are 1 per 5 which may be what you're thinking of.

Also, you save a ton of points by lumping the units because you aren't paying for the apothecary each time. In a unit of only 5 strong, I'd prolly not bother with the apothecary.

Dang. ..... oh and ard boyz is all kill points isn't it? yeah that would make more sense to have them in squads of 10 then.

gendoikari87 wrote:Dang. ..... oh and ard boyz is all kill points isn't it? yeah that would make more sense to have them in squads of 10 then.

Ard boyz uses kill points, not victory points. However, not every mission will use kill points of course. There will be objective grabbing and the like as well, along with some "wacky" variations if past years are anything to go by.

Dude if it's all KP's then take 20 Paladins and as many Terminators as you can fit in the list to fill in points:

Draigo - 275
Librarian (Might, Quicksilver, Shrouding, Sanctuary) - 170
10 Terminators (2x Psycannon, MC Hammer, 6x Halberds, Psybolt Ammo, Banner) - 500
10 Paladins - 775
--- Psybolt Ammo
- Apothecary, Sword
- Banner, Psycannon
- Psycannon, Sword
- Psycannon, Hammer
- Psycannon, MC Sword
- Hammer
- MC Sword
- Sword
- MC Falchions
- Falchions
- Psybolt Ammo
10 Paladins - 760
--- Psybolt Ammo
- Apothecary, Sword
- Banner, Psycannon
- Psycannon, Sword
- Psycannon, Hammer
- Psycannon, Halberd
- Hammer
- MC Halberd
- Halberd
- MC Sword
- Sword
Total 2,480

By my count that gives you 20 points to spend on whatever you like. Depending on the cost of a Warding Stave it might be wise to give one to the Librarian if possible. Please be aware that my codex is currently sitting on my table at home, so most of this is from memory and I could be off on points slightly.

The first unit of Paladins is joined by the Librarian and Draigo. They are set up for larger numbers of attacks, but lack Halberds since the Librarian has Quicksilver (hence the Falchions). The second unit trades the Falchions for Halberds to let you get a few attacks off before your opponent strikes. Each unit has a Brotherhood Banner to maximize melee potential and they all have Psybolt ammo to increase ranged power against infantry. With 10 Psycannons in the list you should be able to deal with most vehicles, but you will be out ranged by anything properly shooty, and you lack some mobility. It might be worthwhile to spend the last 20 points on 3x Servo Skulls and Summoning for the Librarian so you can pull a unit forward if you find yourself in a bad position.

It might not be the most effective list in the world, but you cannot argue with 5 KP's at 2,500 points, two of which are on near invulnerable units. The unit with Draigo is even more durable since he can absorb any incoming single shots that would be instant death to the other unit. I think your biggest challenges will be Dark Eldar and Imperial Guard, however you can claim that your list only cost you $350, or quite a bit less if you buy online! It's a win-win!

sorry that was a question: DOES ard boys use only KP not objectives?

Apparently they use KP's but don't use them exclusively. Even still, you have 30 scoring Terminators in the above list, or 25 in your original list, which is plenty to hold and assault objectives. Might as well minimize your KP's while maximizing your firepower, so I still vote to combine the units like in the list I posted above.

Just my thoughts.

If 20 points are spare then get some of them psycannon master-crafted, it's an excellent investment of points.

^^ Also very true

if you put four MC Psycannons in one squad would each one have to roll separately?

gendoikari87 wrote:if you put four MC Psycannons in one squad would each one have to roll separately?

No...you'd fire them like you fire any unit's weapons.

If I have 10 bolters rapid firing, I roll 20 dice.

If I have 4 psycannons firing, I roll 16 dice.

They're all the same weapon so you'd roll them together. Mind you, you're probably going to overkill whatever you hit and have issues with MSU armies that can present 15 targets unless you combat squad.

what about master crafting would you roll separately and re roll 4 missed hits or roll all as one and re roll 1 miss.

targetawg wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:if you put four MC Psycannons in one squad would each one have to roll separately?

No...you'd fire them like you fire any unit's weapons.

If I have 10 bolters rapid firing, I roll 20 dice.

If I have 4 psycannons firing, I roll 16 dice.

They're all the same weapon so you'd roll them together. Mind you, you're probably going to overkill whatever you hit and have issues with MSU armies that can present 15 targets unless you combat squad.

This is incorrect. You would have to roll the Psycannons individually, because you can only re-roll ONE to-hit roll per Psycannon. If you fire Psycannons A, B, C and D and A hits with everything, B and C each miss with 1, and D misses with 2, you only get to re-roll 3 shots, not 4, even though you missed with 4 shots. If you rolled all together, you would not be able to tell which Psycannons got the re-roll. The only way you would roll them all together is if you were allowed to re-roll ALL to-hit rolls.

The same is true for Master Crafted weapons in combat. If I have Vulkan and 5 TH/SS Terminators, I have to roll all of the Thunder Hammer attacks from each model individually so I know who misses and with how many attacks.

Aldarionn wrote:

targetawg wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:if you put four MC Psycannons in one squad would each one have to roll separately?

No...you'd fire them like you fire any unit's weapons.

If I have 10 bolters rapid firing, I roll 20 dice.

If I have 4 psycannons firing, I roll 16 dice.

They're all the same weapon so you'd roll them together. Mind you, you're probably going to overkill whatever you hit and have issues with MSU armies that can present 15 targets unless you combat squad.

This is incorrect. You would have to roll the Psycannons individually, because you can only re-roll ONE to-hit roll per Psycannon. If you fire Psycannons A, B, C and D and A hits with everything, B and C each miss with 1, and D misses with 2, you only get to re-roll 3 shots, not 4, even though you missed with 4 shots. If you rolled all together, you would not be able to tell which Psycannons got the re-roll. The only way you would roll them all together is if you were allowed to re-roll ALL to-hit rolls.

Crap, I missed the part about master crafting somehow. Reading comprehension ftl. I was still assuming not master crafted.

What about putting in a land raider instead of the extra squad of temies in the second list? if you are facing MSU armies, then a crusader or redeemer would fit in nicely with power of the machine spirit. with psybolt ammo, you're talking about chewing through some guys preety quickly, not to mention that you can throw some other additional things in for some hardcore potential

metalgear1313 wrote:What about putting in a land raider instead of the extra squad of temies in the second list? if you are facing MSU armies, then a crusader or redeemer would fit in nicely with power of the machine spirit. with psybolt ammo, you're talking about chewing through some guys preety quickly, not to mention that you can throw some other additional things in for some hardcore potential

Redeemer is the way to go IMO, crusaders are sub par in so many ways, and they dont get much from psybolt ammo, if anything it probably hurts them. Once you upgrade the hurricane bolters with psybolt ammo, they're str 5, and no longer a defensive weapon. That you can't do the usual move, fire assault cannon, POTM multi melta, and fire your defensive hurricane bolters as well.

Who doesn't like AP3 flamers anyhow?

metalgear1313 wrote:What about putting in a land raider instead of the extra squad of temies in the second list? if you are facing MSU armies, then a crusader or redeemer would fit in nicely with power of the machine spirit. with psybolt ammo, you're talking about chewing through some guys preety quickly, not to mention that you can throw some other additional things in for some hardcore potential

If he is going for kp denial as the theme then taking a lone LR is going to give up an easy kp.

metalgear1313 wrote:What about putting in a land raider instead of the extra squad of temies in the second list? if you are facing MSU armies, then a crusader or redeemer would fit in nicely with power of the machine spirit. with psybolt ammo, you're talking about chewing through some guys preety quickly, not to mention that you can throw some other additional things in for some hardcore potential

guys remember this is a budget ard boys list ... under $275