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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/29 01:29:22
Subject: Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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Powerful Ushbati
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If a BSB with a magical standard is in a unit with a magical standard. Will both of the standards stack for example: one gives them magical attacks and 1 gives them +1 to hit?
In addition if you have a bsb, and a magical standard the is a war banner which grants +1 to combat res will that be 3 combat res from banners alone?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/04/29 01:31:41
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/29 01:41:07
Subject: Re:Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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Cold-Blooded Saurus Warrior
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Yes to both questions.
Nothing says multiple banner effects in a unit do not stack, so they will. As to the second question, the unit banner gives +1, the BSB gives +1, and the War Banner gives another +1. None of them are exclusive, and will legally stack.
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I suggest you don't believe anything posted by thedarkavenger unless confirmed by other regular posters here at Dakka. He has shown he is incapable of basic English comprehension.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/29 01:43:55
Subject: Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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Powerful Ushbati
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Ouch, that can make for one hell of a deathstar with the combo I am thinking up.
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TK - 2012 40K GT Record 18-5
4th in 2nd bracket Feast of Blades 2012 (IG/SoB); 4th Overall Midwest Massacre (IG/SW); 5th Overall Indy Open (IG); Final 16 Adepticon Open (IG)
TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
Best General Indy Open (Crons/CSM)
Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
Final 4 Nova Invitational (Eldau)
Best Overall Midwest Massacre (Crons/CSM)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/01 14:23:38
Subject: Re:Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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don't forget the BSB gives +2 combat res for being the Battlestandard.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/01 14:31:28
Subject: Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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Dakka Veteran
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Grey Templar, only if he's carrying the war banner...
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Manchu wrote:It's a lie, K_K, pure Imperial propaganda. Where's the Talon of Horus, huh? Plus everyone knows the Imperium planned and carried out the invasion of Cadia itself. Bin Abaddon was just a convenient scapegoat. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/01 14:33:51
Subject: Re:Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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but its also a standard.
you can't count 2 standard twice, but it does give a total of +2(1 for being a banner, and 1 for being the Battlestandard)
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/01 15:24:35
Subject: Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
Provo, UT
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Right, so in combat, you get +1 for the BSB and +1 for a standard, but no more than one unit standard per combat can be counted. For a total of +2 (not counting the war banner).
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"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever." -1984, pg.267
I think George Orwell was unknowingly describing 40K.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/01 22:20:06
Subject: Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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Fixture of Dakka
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No, there are Battle Standard Bearers and Unit Standard Bearers, each of which gives +1 CR, but the BSB isn't a unit standard bearer as well. So the BSB gives a +1 for being there, not +2. The rules on pg. 107 clarify this; he adds +1 "like a normal standard." The only difference is that it is cumulative with regular unit standard bearers. Edited for clarity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/01 22:27:44
Subject: Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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Powerful Ushbati
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So the highest I can get is +3 from the standards.? 1 for reg standard. 1 for BSB. 1 for war banner.
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TK - 2012 40K GT Record 18-5
4th in 2nd bracket Feast of Blades 2012 (IG/SoB); 4th Overall Midwest Massacre (IG/SW); 5th Overall Indy Open (IG); Final 16 Adepticon Open (IG)
TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
Best General Indy Open (Crons/CSM)
Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
Final 4 Nova Invitational (Eldau)
Best Overall Midwest Massacre (Crons/CSM)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/01 23:22:29
Subject: Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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Long-Range Black Templar Land Speeder Pilot
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Yes
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Warhammer: 7000Empire, 10000 WE, 9000 Brets, 4000 DE |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/01 23:34:30
Subject: Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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Deadly Tomb Guard
Payson Utah, USA
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Tomb King wrote:So the highest I can get is +3 from the standards.? 1 for reg standard. 1 for BSB. 1 for war banner.
Well, No..If you are a High Elf you can take a BSB with the Battle Banner (+ d6 combat Res) and stick him in a unit with the War banner for a total of d6(battle banner)+3(war banner, BSB, Unit Standard). But as a general rule 3 would be the most.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/02 01:37:50
Subject: Magical Standards and Standard bearers
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Killer Klaivex
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Arion wrote:Tomb King wrote:So the highest I can get is +3 from the standards.? 1 for reg standard. 1 for BSB. 1 for war banner.
Well, No..If you are a High Elf you can take a BSB with the Battle Banner (+ d6 combat Res) and stick him in a unit with the War banner for a total of d6(battle banner)+3(war banner, BSB, Unit Standard). But as a general rule 3 would be the most.
Dwarves can get pretty crazy.
Master rune of Stromni Redbed gives +1 to each combat within 12", rune of battle gives +1.
You can also have 6 other banners with the rune of battle and some combination of other runes.
If my some chance, all those units were in one fight, You'd get:
+7 for runes of battle (1 per standard), +1 for having standards, +1 for the BSB and +1 for the RedBeard master rune. That's +10 from standards and bonuses; 13 with ranks.
Vampire Counts can get +1 from the warbanner, +1 for the banner of endless nightmares (which allows a 4th rank bonus); which is 7 with ranks (8 with a bloodline power)
Empire can get double rank bonus and warbanner for a total of +9 (which included ranks)
Dark elves win: 125 point banner adds +1 to EACH UNIT, within 12". In theory, you could get ~12 units into a front of a horde, giving you +12 from that banner, +1 for standard and +1 for BSB, slightly edging out the dwarf advantage.
-Matt
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