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Was watching a game yesterday and a rule query popped up.

One player's squad of space marines failed their morale check in the shooting phase and started running. They didn't get far enough and were charged. Again they failed their rally check and thus the argument arose.

Player A said that the marines were destroyed as they failed their morale check to rally after being assaulted.

Player B said that the marines just fight because of ATSKNF, which seems a tad off as it wasn't a sweeping advance, just a morale check that failed when being charged.

They rolled off and Player B won and thus the marines just fought the assault but I'm pretty sure they should have been destroyed.

They should have died correct?

i know ATSKNF applies to being caught after falling back from cc. failing a LD check from shooting and they being charged... im not sure. i dont have a marine dex handy, but i THINK that the rule only specifies the sweeping advance thing, and not any other circumstance. therefore they would use normal rules and be wiped out. would have to check a marine dex for the exact wording on the rule though.

Check the last few posts here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/328571.page

First like of ATSKNF:

"Space Marines automatically pass tests to regroup"

Ah ok. So they would just auto pass the regroup check and fight on. I gotcha.

actually, if you are charged i belive you automatically regroup and will keep fighting.

if you then lose the combat you are back to how you got in this situation in the first place.




its actually very bad to charge a unit already falling back. stay close enough to keep them running and escort them off the table.

Grey Templar wrote:
its actually very bad to charge a unit already falling back. stay close enough to keep them running and escort them off the table.

This, this right here. Marines still aren't allowed to regroup if there is an enemy unit within 6".

Just don't forget you can still fire while falling back

Grey Templar wrote:actually, if you are charged i belive you automatically regroup and will keep fighting.

If you are charged whilst falling back you test to regroup. Pass and you fight, fail and you are destroyed.

Marines with ATKNF do not test, they automatically regroup.