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The list is:
Warsmith (using Huron Blackheart rules) =170

Dreadnought 2x =210
Heavy Bolter

10 Chaos Space Marines 2x =510
Aspiring Champion
Heavy Bolter
Melta Gun
Power Fist
Icon of Chaos Glory
Rhino

Vindicator 3x =375

9 Chaos Space Marines =230
Aspiring Champion
Melta Gun
Power Fist
Icon of Chaos Glory
Rhino

=1495

any comments and critism wanted

also is using a warsmith as huron fair?

the warsmith rides round with the unit of 9 CSM

It's a good start, if it were me I'd make a few changes, such as:

1. Lose Huron/Warsmith - really not worth it, try a chaos lord or a daemon prince.

2. Again, lose the dreads, I'd reccomend some outflanking chosen in a rhino with meltas, plasmas or power weapons.

3. Drop the HB on the CSM squads, go for two meltas. (the rule of thumb is: 2 or more of the same special weapons is best.)

4. That squad of 9 CSM you have is a bit misplaced, try to make 10 with another melta or replace them with a squad of plague marines or khorne berzerkers.

5. Finally the linebreaker squad of vindicators, you could keep the 3 or maybe 2 and a squad of oblits?

If you want to use your warsmith as huron I don't see many people complaining about it.

MA.

Im loveing the line breaker sqd. however i think a squad of berzerkers would be adviseable instead of one of the sqds as you are lacking on cc. personaly id loose the dreads to but if its a themed army i can ssee why youd keep them(id prob do the same if i didnt just hate dreads). but otherwise good strong list.

the reason there are 9 marines is so that the lord could go round with them. will replace the heavy bolters with melta guns then if tht is wht works. replace the dreads with terminators? as not keen on chosen, or oblits as whn have used them not done well (the oblits). Chaos Lord with power fist, power weapon and combi-bolter maybe instead of Huron.


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new list going by comments:

Chaos Lord = 140
Power Fist
Power Weapon
Combi-Weapon

10 Chaos Space Marines = 255
Aspiring Champion
Melta Gun
Melta Gun
Power Fist
Icon of Chaos Glory
Rhino

9 Berzerkers = 294
Skull Champion
Power Fist
2 Plasma Pistols
Rhino

Vindicator 2x = 290
Daemonic Possession

5 Terminators = 250
Chainfist
Reaper Autocannon
2 Comb-Weapons
5 Champions

10 Chaos Space Marines = 266
Aspiring Champion
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun
Power Fist
Icon of Chaos Glory
Rhino

Putrid One,

It's really up to the meta in your area, if you play lots of armies with tanks, then go meltas.

If you play against horde armies, flamer etc etc.

and the 9 marines could easily become 9 berzerkers, that will be a much more effective CC "deathstar"-esque unit.

But really, if you like it stick it in there; my suggestions are what I would use because I can't make Huron or dreads work for me, but if you can use them!

MA.

wasn't sure about the dreads any way, ugly models. Berzerkers are used by the iron warriors so still fits with fluff and most of my opponents have either lots of Leman Russ' or Land Raiders so Meltas are useful. only reason i started this is army is becuase i like the Iron Warriors background

I think 2 dreads would do more danmage than a suad of termies TBH. and they would suit better aswell. but mabey varey there guns, maybe a atuo cannon to get rid of tanks and heveys like termies??

might work, just don't want a dread to go mad and shot up one of my rhino's and plus they look so bad with the wierd claw thing. But will give both a go and see which works better for me.

Brilliant. be shure to post how it goes.

Just use the regular sm dreads instead of the csm dreads. There are so many csm tank bits out there converting them shouldn't be a problem. I agree though, the csm dread models are UGLY.

might try tht, just have to improve conversions first. Using a friends at the moment as he is moving on to Chaos Daemons.

Yeah, it is the Crazy rule that makes Chaos Dreads nearly unplayable. You /can/ make it work but you have to go 2 CCW arms and run 2 in a pair so if they go crazy they shoot each other (which can take the bolter shots). But they still stop, when you need them to get into combat ASAP.

Since your running a fluff army, have you considered Havoks? Run with 4 ML or 4 AC and IoCG and almost run them in a gun line. 3 Squads (2 of them ML and one AC) would give you /alot/ of firepower.

If you want the Terminators, you almost have to get a Land Raider for them. Then give them LC and IoK or keep a tactical load-out that you have. Remember, you can fit up to 6 Terminators, so a Lord in TDA and a 3-5 man squad can fit in.

Fluff wise, your Assault/linebreaker terminators break through and if you have the points, you can then teleport in tactical terminators to the location of the Icon to 'hold the breach'. Though with point limits, you might be looking at 3 squads of 3 terminators, but would fit your theme. If you still want the dreads, run them with the LR, but be careful when you disembark the troops and that they don't end up as the dread's closest target.

Hope this has given you something to think about.

like the idea about terminators with mark of khorne but iron warriors hate icons they only hav Berzerkers for combat so going fluff wise not allowed :( Would you suggest getting rid of the termies then if don't have a LR for havocs or other units?

Well, pg 81 of the CSM Dex states you use Icons as teleport becons, so if you DS within 6" of the fig with the icon you don't scatter. Combi-Meltas have to be within 6" to get the 2d6 for armor penitration.

You can run without Icons, but then you have to accept the fact you can scatter beyond 6" of your target (or into your target) and be throwing away your terminator squad with your enemy either turning on it with a bunch of stuff or just moving away.

That is your option... DS with Icons, DS without Icons, run them in with a Land Raider or walk them across the battlefield. Each has pros and cons, you just need to choose your option.

Fluff is fluff in this game, you can choose to ignore or use what you will. I play Lamenters, I use the Vannilla Codex instead of the Blood Angel Codex because I choose to use the old fluff of them not having the Red Thirst. That is the fluff in the BA Dex even, but in IA 10 the writer decided to give them the Red Thirst. The fluff you read about the Iron Wariors wasn't created by a guy who may not even know how to play 40k, much less have any rules in mind. He is a writer and has creative license with very, very few guidelines... like Iron Warriors have to be chaos, this is what happened to their Primarch, ect, ect. Use it or don't.

Use the best codex that fits your style and allows you to do what you want... last Iron Warrior army I saw used the Vannilla Codex. You can make a army with the Chaos Dex, but if you hamstring yourself to the point of not enjoying playing the game due to fluff, it might not be worthwhile either. Use the Dex or move on to another on or make better use of the Dex you have.




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putrid one wrote: Would you suggest getting rid of the termies then if don't have a LR for havocs or other units?

Personally, yes. Terminators are high priority targets and they cost alot of points. If I can't effectivily and consistantly get them in position to do damage (before they die), then I would not bother having them on my list. If you can deal with DSing without Icons, cool. Play and try it out, see if it works for you.

If you want to replace the firepower of Oblitirators and Demolishers, 5 man Havoks are a way to go. But without a IoCG, they will probably run after taking any return fire. You could look at Vindicators as a subsitute, and I know alot of Chaos players that have good luck with AC Predators (with all three sponson options).

played a game with the termies, did so bad as deepstriked and just got shot my all the plasma, need a LR so not going to use them in a game tht small again, next going to try the dreads against Dark Angels. Just got a Havoc squad as well to spread amoung my other units


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was fun though got a win by getting into combat before the Guard could volley fire me Berzerkes were okish and the extra attacks was nice but considering making them CSM with MoK so can have better choice of shooting weapons like Flamers as seem to find hordes a problem

You can switch the termies back out for the dreads, just switch them up for CC arm and Missile launcher, that way if they go nuts, you can fire the frag round, and this also gives you a weapon to fire as they move up the field.